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    Quote Originally Posted by ErryK View Post
    Please, the last thing we need is being pro-special snowflake.
    Whats with legacy players? They have a tatoo, some glamour gear and a mount that is exclusive to them and can not obtained anylonger.

    Whats with the pre order bonus items people got at the start of Realm Reborn, Heavensward and soon with Stormblood, which can't be obtained anylonger after the pre order period is over?

    Dalamud Minion? You can still get the code, but its not usable anylonger.

    Titles and other stuff which get not sold in mogrystation you got during seasonal events?

    Glamour and housing?

    All special snowflakes?

    I could write many other examples.

    Whats the issue with exclusive rewards for people, who did beat the hardest content in the game at the intendet difficulty level?
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    Quote Originally Posted by KarstenS View Post
    Whats the issue with exclusive rewards for people, who did beat the hardest content in the game at the intendet difficulty level?
    The issue isn't that they get the reward, the issue is why is there a need for such a reward? You did the hardest content at the so-called "intended" difficulty, great. Here's a pat on the back, now be on your merry way. You don't need a medal for something countless other people have done too... and let us not forget the raiding scene is less than 10% of the entire game's population, so that's wasted dev resources on a vast majority in the game. At least be thankful your raid rewards you with something other than gear in the first place.

    Also, everything you mentioned is something SE has implemented themselves, not something we asked for. I didn't ask for the Dalamud minion to be exclusive to before 31/12/14, I didn't ask for the Bahamut minion to be exclusive to before 31/12/15, no one did, SE made that choice. But if I see a player demanding for a special reward because they completed x content before it was nerfed, it is not justified, not in the least. You don't pay a higher sub so why should you have more available to you than others? Envy/jealousy have nothing to do with it, twisting my words won't make your argument anymore valid.
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    Last edited by ErryK; 01-27-2017 at 10:46 PM.



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    Quote Originally Posted by KarstenS View Post
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    We're agree on the fact that people facing difficult content don' thave any rewards for their investment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Watachy View Post
    We're agree on the fact that people facing difficult content don' thave any rewards for their investment.
    Unless said people consider the accomplishment of clearing said difficult content a reward. Given the variety of people who play this game, it's probably a good idea to emphasize that you're referring to a lack of rewards you can show to others.

    Granted, you could just record the event on a video and upload it for people who are interested to watch. So then is the issue actually about having tangible proof that is easily displayed to strangers whether they care about your accomplishments or not?
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    "Ul'dah can keep their dusty markets, and their streets paved in silver and gold.
    Limsa Lominsa keep your pirates, and your ships covered in musty mold.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KarstenS View Post
    Whats with legacy players?
    Sure you can write plenty of examples, this one is a weak argument.

    You are going to hold or use this as a crutch on SE and the players?
    SE decided to reward its players at the time, during an extremely rare event in gaming history. It wasn't a request or demand based on entitlement.
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    I used to have a fairly unfavorable view on clear sellers, but thanks to this thread I'm now convinced that it's perfectly ok to do. It's just people selling their skill in battle. It's really no different than crafters selling their skill in crafting when they put 4* items up on the MB, or how people who sell minion drops are basically selling their RNG luck.

    So, thanks OP for making this thread - I would never have changed my views otherwise!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ReplicaX View Post
    Sure you can write plenty of examples, this one is a weak argument.
    Let's talk about PVP then, why do PVP players get unique rewards (feast seasons) ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Seig345 View Post
    Unless said people consider the accomplishment of clearing said difficult content a reward.
    But we also like rewards like everyone else, why should people get the same rewards when they can't even do the fight without understanding it and using the unsynch system ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Watachy View Post
    Let's talk about PVP then, why do PVP players get unique rewards (feast seasons) ?
    This isn't cut and dry as legacy, which is all I talked about and I really don't know why you are specifically directing this question towards me. I can only make an assumption based on experience and literally guessing SE's methods.

    SE wants PVP to remain viable.

    For Feast and its Seasons, I can only say for retainability of PVPers and possible addition of new players joining PVP for the rewards.

    The Garo collaboration is purely IMO to get non-pvpers to at least try it for the rewards and get hooked. Why gear is dyeable only from PVP and the mounts.

    This is not uncommon at all with Companies trying to promote certain areas of their games they feel need improvement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ReplicaX View Post
    The Garo collaboration is purely IMO to get non-pvpers to at least try it for the rewards and get hooked. Why gear is dyeable only from PVP and the mounts.

    This is not uncommon at all with Companies trying to promote certain areas of their games they feel need improvement.
    It worked for me. I wouldn't have tried PvP without it, but now I'm doing the daily Frontline roulette.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Watachy View Post
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    But we also like rewards like everyone else, why should people get the same rewards when they can't even do the fight without understanding it and using the unsynch system ?
    You're under the assumption that the playerbase consists of people with your interests, and then lumped everyone else in under the "wait until I can unsync it" category, and precluded the people who enjoy running that difficult content for the difficult content and are not fussed with the rewards, which I mentioned at the beginning of my post which you snipped your quote from.
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    "Ul'dah can keep their dusty markets, and their streets paved in silver and gold.
    Limsa Lominsa keep your pirates, and your ships covered in musty mold.
    My loyalty lies with Gridania, with the Moogles and the tree spirits of old." -The Forky Conjurer

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