So... that spiderman shirt... (new job tease)

[Rosalynd]

Just a reminder to a lot of people arguing in this thread, but currently a DRK is a DRK in visual aesthetics only. Expect whatever class is coming up next to either be completely new or be a butchered bastardised version of your "vision" for the class.

[GMERC]

Just a reminder to a lot of people arguing in this thread, but currently a DRK is a DRK in visual aesthetics only. Expect whatever class is coming up next to either be completely new or be a butchered bastardised version of your "vision" for the class.

This silly complaint again? Listen, I literally subbed to FFXIV in hopes of Dark Knight being announced, got it announced 4 months later, and was more than satisfied with it being a Tank. Would it have been cool to have a DPS that uses its HP as a resource? Maybe, but I can't imagine myself trusting random healers to keep me in a good spot healthwise, nor do I think it would necessarily be a good idea to design a DPS job that needs babysitting from a healer. It sounds like what you really wanted was a job that would be built as the star of the show (a Carry role), and have a job that could be catered to and bring the best damage to a situation, and that's just not a good design in this sort of game at all.

All in all, I'd have been all right with either a Tank DRK or a DPS DRK, just as I'll be ok with a Tank SAM or a DPS SAM, despite my preference being for the latter. I'm not going to pretend that Square Enix "butcher bastardized" the job just because they do something I don't like with it. Get over yourself.

Next you'll tell me DRK should have used a Scythe and throw away whatever credibility you might have had.

[Rosalynd]

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You may have had a point if i was one of those "ermahgerd scythes" goons, but i am not. To me, the dark knight is someone who uses their own life force to augment their attacks with dark magic. An aspect that so far has not appeared in game. They tried with magic drain and kinda failed.

Don't get me wrong, i like the dark knight in its current iteration, is even my main, but you are a delusional fool if you think it has ANYTHING to do with past iterations of the job outside of visual aesthetics, and this is my point. People expect a certain thing with blue mage or samurai or whatever, but as XIV has shown, they don't really give a damn about past iterations and people need to realise that. What you expect a blue mage to be may be entirely unrelated to what the end product could end up as.

Also, off topic, but that picture outs you as the epitome of an edgelord, male xaela au ra death knight, all checkboxes ticked!.

Edit cause type limit: And lol, get over myself? pot calling kettle black there mate.

[GMERC]

You may have had a point if i was one of those "ermahgerd scythes" goons, but i am not. To me, the dark knight is someone who uses their own life force to augment their attacks with dark magic. An aspect that so far has not appeared in game. They tried with magic drain and kinda failed.

I pretty clearly laid out why what you're suggesting isn't something that would work in this game, though. It's the kind of mechanic that's extremely shaky in anything that isn't either a singleplayer game or something you build your entire party around bolstering.

Also, off topic, but that picture outs you as the epitome of an edgelord, male xaela au ra death knight, all checkboxes ticked!.

Can't out somebody with nothing to hide, little miss Shadow the Hedgehog.

[Rosalynd]

I pretty clearly laid out why what you're suggesting isn't something that would work in this game, though. It's the kind of mechanic that's extremely shaky in anything that isn't either a singleplayer game or something you build your entire party around bolstering.

So basically we agree on the reasons something like a blue mage is not going to be what people want it to be.

Can't out somebody with nothing to hide, little miss Shadow the Hedgehog.

Ohhhh, scathing.

[GMERC]

So basically we agree on the reasons something like a blue mage is not going to be what people want it to be.

If you have a look at my posting history (in particular in this very thread) you'll find that my idea of what a Blue Mage should be in this game already goes against the general consensus opinion. I am totally unphased by the possibility that it might not be a job that has to learn its abilities through being hit by equivalent enemy attacks, because that isn't the part of Blue Mage that matters to me, just as cast-from-HP abilities aren't the part of Dark Knight that matters to me.

[Reynhart]

I am totally unphased by the possibility that it might not be a job that has to learn its abilities through being hit by equivalent enemy attacks

Blue Mage could still gain abilities through being hit by an enemy attack. Just quest-enemies and not roaming ennemies.
But for that, we need several things :

• The job needs to start at level 1. This way, you wouldn't be able to dive right into party content before having the opportunity to do job quests.

• Each job quest from level 1 to level 60 (or 70) will give 1 new spell, contrary to class quest that only scarcely offer a new skill during the 1-30 time. This would give at least 16 monster skills to learn (No idea how many quests we'll have from 60 to 70). Considering Black Mage only learns 15 spells, that's actually not that bad. The 11 remaining skills would be learned by leveling from 1 to 50 and would mostly be abilities to further enhance the spells, with some weapon skills in the mix.

• For icing on the cake, what could be interesting is that you could chose between several spells when you tackle a quest, so the order in which you learn the spell while leveling could be different depending on your tastes.

[Nominous]

To me, the dark knight is someone who uses their own life force to augment their attacks with dark magic. An aspect that so far has not appeared in game. They tried with magic drain and kinda failed.

On what grounds did they fail?

There's nothing saying that HP has to be the sacrificed resource in order to strengthen their attacks. MP can be (as far is lore is concerned) just as relevant to sacrifice as HP, minus the risk of death. Which, by the way, still exists through dropping Grit, which sacrifices your defenses for higher damage output.

The theme of the Job still exists, it's just a different weapon, different resource, which makes sense because it's a different game.

Samurai (imo) lacks a solid theme throughout the games, so I don't think anyone can nail down a specific play-style they expect. I'm sure most people will be happy with it, considering that fact. Blue Mage can work in the game as a Tank pretty easily, but glorious leader Yoshi P seems to have different ideas for it. I think peeps should just keep an open mind to things instead of expectations that might not be met.

[Shippuu]

Just a reminder to a lot of people arguing in this thread, but currently a DRK is a DRK in visual aesthetics only. Expect whatever class is coming up next to either be completely new or be a butchered bastardised version of your "vision" for the class.

DRK encapsulates every notable aspect of past DRK'S except for that it doesn't sacrifice HP, which it still partially has at least in spirit by having such strict resource costs for Dark Arts. It's far from a "bastardization", stop being dramatic.

The only argument this really works for is perhaps Summoner.

Edit: Also, it's entirely possible we will see a future DRK ability that does sacrifice a bit of HP. I wouldn't fault SE for holding such a thing back until people were more comfortable/adjusted to the job or gating it at a higher level after players can be more experienced to at least hopefully use the skill better. I for one hope they do add at least one such skill, if only to put an end to the viewpoint that the job is somehow incorrectly implemented/executed