So... that spiderman shirt... (new job tease)

[Lewtskie]

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Monster skills are abilities unique tied to a specific monster or family. Magic is not a monster skill, it's a skill utilized by intelligence based monsters and enemy NPCs. We know exactly what identifies as monster skills, stop trying to act ignorant to not prove a point.

The attempts at trying to count where jobs are and aren't referenced is going nowhere, as y'all can't decide what is and isn't, so just stop.

Clearly when we see the shirt we only see Spider-Man, and he gains his super powers through a spider. This is obvious. But we're not thinking about the man behind the mask! Peter Park, freelance photographer. Now we joke about Photography being a DoL/DoH, but obviously we were too far apart.

But this is most certainly an indication that XIV shall bring back the glorious art of Pankration! That's right, we are going to be getting a class that will utilize the art of ripping the souls out of monsters and using them as our own source of power. Now wait, you might be wondering how exactly? Clearly we look no further than the updated version of FFVI! A dear beloved character known as Relm (A character we have a minion of already, if you didn't know) uses the art of Pictomancy to copy enemy abilties by sketching them! In a more modernized form we shall have photographic powers to claima nd copy monster powers! (This will also be great for the FFXV tie in, a Prompto-themed item the ladies and lads will love.)

[Dorander]

Monster skills are abilities unique tied to a specific monster or family. Magic is not a monster skill, it's a skill utilized by intelligence based monsters and enemy NPCs. We know exactly what identifies as monster skills, stop trying to act ignorant to not prove a point.

Explain Ahk Morn then? Just magic and hand/wavey? Summoner's are taping into the residual aether of Bahamut when he manifested at Cartineau to recreate at least on a minor scale: his power.

How about Dragoon? Their entire job quest story explains that the Warrior of Light is also a true Azure Dragoon along with Estinien. Which means they are drawing power directly from the Azure eye, through their soul gem, manifesting supernatural abilities from the power of dragons.

So at least with two of the jobs, we are pulling power DIRECTLY from dragons or in the case of SMN a primal version of one. Sounds very Blue Mage to me.. but, I suppose you'll say those don't count.

[frankenbeans]

Explain Ahk Morn then? Just magic and hand/wavey? Summoner's are taping into the residual aether of Bahamut when he manifested at Cartineau to recreate at least on a minor scale: his power.

How about Dragoon? Their entire job quest story explains that the Warrior of Light is also a true Azure Dragoon along with Estinien. Which means they are drawing power directly from the Azure eye, through their soul gem, manifesting supernatural abilities from the power of dragons.

So at least with two of the jobs, we are pulling power DIRECTLY from dragons or in the case of SMN a primal version of one. Sounds very Blue Mage to me.. but, I suppose you'll say those don't count.

They don't count as Blue Magic refers to a specific set of abilities that have been fairly consistent through out the final fantasy series. It's not primal energy that summoners use or dragoon abilities. I believe you know this but are being intellectually dishonest by creating a false equivalency with fin fantasy's blue magic and just any old ability used by mobs or bosses.

[Shippuu]

They don't count as Blue Magic refers to a specific set of abilities that have been fairly consistent through out the final fantasy series. It's not primal energy that summoners use or dragoon abilities. I believe you know this but are being intellectually dishonest by creating a false equivalency with fin fantasy's blue magic and just any old ability used by mobs or bosses.

Cool, so you've actually just demolished your own Raubhan is a blue mage argument.

[Lewtskie]

but, I suppose you'll say those don't count.

jfc... Okay let's make a very clear understanding of what Blue Magic or similar arts entail. You are not just drawing power from an enemy. It goes deeper than that. Blue Magic,Copy Magic, Pictomancy is utilizing a very high level magic to systematically replicate an enemies move and reconstruct it to allow use by an individual who would not readily have the limbs, mechanisms, or body structure to perform such maneuvers. This is done through taking on the said moves, and why not all moves can be replicated. Your body remembers the move, the pain or function, and the magic draws from that. This is why in XI it was established how dangerous this art was. You turn yourself into a living weapon, every part of your body a point to channel the magic.

DRGs merely feed off the eye of a dragon for power which stimulates their bodies, giving them enhanced skills. Likewise does SMN use Ahk Morn specifically? NO. It uses a very weaker form constructed by their art. And that aside, you are channeling, much like DRG, to perform this feat. SAMN in essence is a channeler, even Death Flare uses the still lingering essence of Bahamut to perform it. You as yourself don't have the full power to perform it at will.

[Vexander]

Explain Ahk Morn then? Just magic and hand/wavey? Summoner's are taping into the residual aether of Bahamut when he manifested at Cartineau to recreate at least on a minor scale: his power.

How about Dragoon? Their entire job quest story explains that the Warrior of Light is also a true Azure Dragoon along with Estinien. Which means they are drawing power directly from the Azure eye, through their soul gem, manifesting supernatural abilities from the power of dragons.

So at least with two of the jobs, we are pulling power DIRECTLY from dragons or in the case of SMN a primal version of one. Sounds very Blue Mage to me.. but, I suppose you'll say those don't count.

Because those aren't Blue Mage situations in the slightest.

A Blue Mage learns the powers of their enemies, but uses their own power to recreate them. As you've pointed out, Dragoons/Summoners are using power -directly- from other sources to perform their arts. Maybe I'm wrong and Blue Mages keep eyes and ears of enemies and use them up to use skills in some kind of spell-reagent fashion. Somehow, I don't think they do. At least, I cannot see them doing so in FFXIV.