Revelations from Patch 3.5

[myahele]

Main story quest

Maybe Naago was in on it, too? Her information spurred the GC to take action. Hoary Boulder says this

...Her cause appeared to have been genuine, but I must confess to feeling no small degree of trepidation even as I stepped aside

he says this if you speak to him after taking her in.

[MilesSaintboroguh]

On the ending of the triad...

I really didn't like how that ended.

"Hey guys I'm working for an ascian"
"Oh okay, welcome to the scions"

How does that make any sense?

Because this site hates having spoiler text only and no actual text....

He specifically mentions Elidibus, who has an agenda that is not like the ones from Lahabrea and the others. The Warriors of Darkness in the last patch also revealed why they worked with Elidibus, though they were kinda misguided thinking killing the WOL would solve the problem. Remember, the other Ascians taught beastmen how to summon primals and that is a big source of conflict. Little best Ascian (cause F trying to spell his name) wants to STOP the primals from wrecking the world and he doesn't want people to use them for power as the people of his world had done before. Things aren't as black and white as they used to be. If what the kid was doing was going to be against Elidibus' plan, then he would have been snuffed out, no?

[CGMidlander]

The 3.5 MSQ baffles me.

Why did Papalymo feel like he needed to do the Louisoix self-sacrifice thing? Why did they just simply assume that the WoL can't defeat whatever primal Ilberd tried to summon? I mean, you can defeat Bahamut, Alexander, Scathach & Super Saiyan Diabolos, Thordan (who had the power of the two eyes too), Nidhogg, The Warring Triad, and a whole host of other potential world-enders.

[Nialle]

The 3.5 MSQ baffles me.

Why did Papalymo feel like he needed to do the Louisoix self-sacrifice thing? Why did they just simply assume that the WoL can't defeat whatever primal Ilberd tried to summon? I mean, you can defeat Bahamut, Alexander, Scathach & Super Saiyan Diabolos, Thordan (who had the power of the two eyes too), Nidhogg, The Warring Triad, and a whole host of other potential world-enders.

I agree. [text too short]

I think they're going to have to move away from 'Primal of the Week' storylines eventually, if only because of that reason. They just don't feel like a threat anymore.

[ZhaneX]

The 3.5 MSQ baffles me.

Well, much as Thancred loves to hang a lampshade on our God-slaying tendencies, we are technically just one member of a larger group, each of whom holds themselves to this selfsame task; stopping the Primals.

That we're the one to oft do the heavy lifting seems to be factoring into story developments more and more lately. We even see in the trailer Nero goading... someone with the jab "Or will you just send in your vaunted Hero, as you always have?"

[Dualblade]

The 3.5 MSQ baffles me.

Why did Papalymo feel like he needed to do the Louisoix self-sacrifice thing? Why did they just simply assume that the WoL can't defeat whatever primal Ilberd tried to summon? I mean, you can defeat Bahamut, Alexander, Scathach & Super Saiyan Diabolos, Thordan (who had the power of the two eyes too), Nidhogg, The Warring Triad, and a whole host of other potential world-enders.

In reply to this and the weird spoiler character limit

While at times the story likes to act like the WoL is a one-man army against everything, they also tend to acknowledge that a good part of our victory comes from having others help as well. Papalymo doesn't know about Bahamut (or Phoenix for that matter), and the only enemy who might have been only our character in-game was Thordan who was weaker then everything else you mentioned. Possibly Nidhogg as well but we were further powered up at that time. The Primal being summoned in this instance is unknown to ALL of us, though it wouldn't surprise me that if they show speculation in the next patch it would head towards everyone thinking "Rhalgr"...which given this is what the Spoken races think of as gods and the way it was summoned could lead to Papalymo thinking it might be too much for us.

Hell going by your example for 1.0 players Papalymo last remembers Bahamut being something the WoL COULD NOT beat.

[CGMidlander]

In reply to this and the weird spoiler character limit

While at times the story likes to act like the WoL is a one-man army against everything, they also tend to acknowledge that a good part of our victory comes from having others help as well. Papalymo doesn't know about Bahamut (or Phoenix for that matter), and the only enemy who might have been only our character in-game was Thordan who was weaker then everything else you mentioned. Possibly Nidhogg as well but we were further powered up at that time. The Primal being summoned in this instance is unknown to ALL of us, though it wouldn't surprise me that if they show speculation in the next patch it would head towards everyone thinking "Rhalgr"...which given this is what the Spoken races think of as gods and the way it was summoned could lead to Papalymo thinking it might be too much for us.

Hell going by your example for 1.0 players Papalymo last remembers Bahamut being something the WoL COULD NOT beat.

I still doubt that we can't beat

something summoned from a dozen dead people, a couple used dragon batteries (used by Thordan & Estinidhogg recently), and a few scraps of broken magitek.

[Naria]

The 3.5 MSQ baffles me.

Why did Papalymo feel like he needed to do the Louisoix self-sacrifice thing? Why did they just simply assume that the WoL can't defeat whatever primal Ilberd tried to summon? I mean, you can defeat Bahamut, Alexander, Scathach & Super Saiyan Diabolos, Thordan (who had the power of the two eyes too), Nidhogg, The Warring Triad, and a whole host of other potential world-enders.

So technically when we defeated Bahamut he wasn't at full power. The primal that Ilberd was summoning was suppose to be more powerful than Bahamut, who caused a Calamity. If it is Rhalgr than that makes sense--a partial summoning of the Twelve was used to try to power the seal to permanently contain Bahamut because a full summoning would have destroyed all life on Hydaelyn. It took another primal with Tupsimati and basically a death-powered summoning to even make a dent in Bahamut at full power. Rhalgr is only one of the Twelve but worship of the Twelve predates the Allagans and it is implied that they are on a completely different level than other deities in Eorzea. With his sacrifice and Tupsimati, Papalymo only bought the Scions time. I want to know what Elidibus is playing at since "kill everything" is not his usual style.

Addendum

Spoilers for speculation about Omega Weapon

I'd speculate that Tupsimati seems to have some sort of influence over time (which isn't a new idea). Louisoix used it to send the 1.0 WoL forward five years, an act that left them branded with "the mark of the twelve". Papalymo's seal is probably some sort of stasis that keeps the summoning from finishing. Possibly somehow connected to Thailiak? Since there have been hints that Omega has something to do with time then it might be that we aren't going to face Ilbred's primal head on but try to use Omega's power to reverse the summoning before the primal can manifest.

[Dualblade]

I still doubt that we can't beat

something summoned from a dozen dead people, a couple used dragon batteries (used by Thordan & Estinidhogg recently), and a few scraps of broken magitek.

Oh I'm certain we will eventually.

However again unlike all other Primals its a complete unknown in what it can do. We have MULTIPLE allies around who could possibly end up being tempered due to no Echo, and Garlean reinforcments on the way. As someone pointed out either in this or another spoiler thread the magitek that had just arrived were considered strong enough to be atleast boss level to us as we currently are with just one. Things were snowballing down.

And of course we were atleast given the option to try and stay. Papalymo disagreed and we weren't expecting to get attacked to keep us away by him. We'll see what happens in March.

[Alberel]

I still doubt that we can't beat

something summoned from a dozen dead people, a couple used dragon batteries (used by Thordan & Estinidhogg recently), and a few scraps of broken magitek.

I think people are underestimating it.

We don't know how much aether the eyes still possessed. At multiple times throughout the story it's been implied that the eyes are effectively limitless in their power. Ilberd is also the first summoner we've seen to perform a self-sacrifice as part of the ritual. The original extreme primals highlighted that sacrifice directly increases the strength of the summoned creature so there's no telling how much more powerful a deiform summoned by self-sacrifice would be. Ilberd seemed convinced that it would be more powerful than even Bahamut though, and the Dreadwyrm was so powerful that we couldn't face him head on as it was.