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    Quote Originally Posted by Cilia View Post
    "As long as I don't think about it, my anguish doesn't exist." -Scions of the Seventh Dawn
    Not even really talking about MSQ anymore but
    And this is why FFIII > FFII. Sure it still had some of FFII's... problems with guest characters (Aria who?), but it also had a moment that told a bunch of them "we still need you, even if you think your role is over." Thus far, FFXIV is far more representative of FFII than anything else, no matter how many other references it throws at us, and that's kind of troubling, because so many other games in the series could almost be thought of as responses to FFII's handling of death.

    In the meantime, I suggest curling up in a blanket with some hot cocoa and watching Grimgar of Fantasy and Ash, if you haven't already.
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    We beat the bad guys, and nobody needed to convert their life-force or seal themselves in time to do it. A hard-earned happy ending with no forced smiles. We might see the Redbills again, but even if we don't, I don't feel like anything was left undone. In any other episodic story, I'd have expected this outcome, but in FFXIV all I can think is "There, was that so hard?"

    I think the only disappointment in the entire thing was Diabolos not getting a new theme.
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    Biggest surprise by far
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    Actually...

    Looking at what happened to the Louisoix in Final Coils after he cast the same spell against Bahamut and became the Phoenix primal, I'm wondering if Papalymo isn't going to become a primal himself.

    It's not completely without precedent considering YSale, and only three of us actually know the final outcome of Louisoix. And we've also seen the primal inherit some of the personality of the summoner with the kobold kid that summoned Titan.


    I'm not so sure things are as clear as we think they may be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Almagnus1 View Post
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    Only that it's different case.

    Louisoix's spell on Bahamut didn't succeed and caused a huge amount of aether in the air which he absorbed into himself to become primal. Papalymo's spell worked and assuming that the spell can cost the caster's all aetheric reserve, it's unlikely he survived.

    It makes me wonder why Louisoix still had enough power to cast powerful speel that sent WoL through time and space after that. Maybe he used the same aether residue...
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    Quote Originally Posted by RobinMalvin View Post
    Only that it's different case.

    Louisoix's spell on Bahamut didn't succeed and caused a huge amount of aether in the air which he absorbed into himself to become primal. Papalymo's spell worked and assuming that the spell can cost the caster's all aetheric reserve, it's unlikely he survived.

    It makes me wonder why Louisoix still had enough power to cast powerful speel that sent WoL through time and space after that. Maybe he used the same aether residue...
    He used some of the leftover aether to invoke Althyk (God of Time among the Twelve) to send the 1.0 WoL to the future.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RobinMalvin View Post
    Only that it's different case.

    Louisoix's spell on Bahamut didn't succeed and caused a huge amount of aether in the air which he absorbed into himself to become primal. Papalymo's spell worked and assuming that the spell can cost the caster's all aetheric reserve, it's unlikely he survived.

    It makes me wonder why Louisoix still had enough power to cast powerful speel that sent WoL through time and space after that. Maybe he used the same aether residue...

    Alexander is that u ?
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    Enough is enough! No more lala sacrifices!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Takara528 View Post
    Enough is enough! No more lala sacrifices!
    Oh but I just finished polishing the alter and cleaning the sacrificial knives.
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    Warning: Ranting incoming

    MSQ

    I dont want to be a downer for everyone that enjoyed the main story but I just found it horrible and kinda boring. First they suddenly decide that they dont need some kind of leader (I was like "I want to be one...so I can finally boss you around..mwahaha..." but at least they kinda said that we do most of the stuff..) and yet later Y'sthola takes the reign and gives everyone their role..how about letting the people decide for themselves?

    I also find it kinda..strange seeing someone on deaths door and yet there was no visible injuries. At least make the skin look a little hurt. No need for it to be bloody but it kinda felt off seeing that woman without any injuries..

    What I did like was, the nutkin next to Thancred at the bar, Tataru finally noticing that we are still missing an outfit from her and Aliseas sentence about important people always talking so complicated instead of just saying a simple "thank you".

    The rest was kinda..okay. At least the grand companies did not loose people yet and I kinda feel even more annoyed at the resistance..[I dont want to help them set Ala Mhigo free..I dont like them and even if they have a right to be angry, trying to pull in the other city states and thus allowing others to die is too much for me..yet like always it will be us that will liberate another country..] I just cant buy that Laurentius (?) suddenly feels conflicted after betraying us two times for money..I can already see how somewhere down the road he will sacrifice his life for someone to redeem himself..

    I felt nothing at Papalymos sacrifice. Sorry SE after you killed of Moen, Haurchefant and Ysayle aka. my favorite characters for some imo stupid plot reasons..I kinda stopped caring about the rest of the characters..and the last time I felt really emotional was with the wild beast child Ga Bo (?). Nice try of SE to hit us with the feelz again by showing the new commander of camp dragonhead..really in the end nothing truly changed with his sacrifice and thus it makes his death so utterly pointless that even after such a long time I cant accept it...sorry ranting..

    I tried to stay with him and help and was kinda angry that they did not at least try to maybe use one of my crystal to power up the spell. Its okay if its not possible to do so but at least show us trying to do it different. I absolutely hate how in FF14 people are so willing to die without maybe just thinking about some other ways to do it..[SE also wasnt really subtle with his coming death..all the talk about sacrifice before that.] Can those people that want to die so much maybe think about what this might mean for the survivors?

    I also agree about the scions bad method of overcoming death..really if they want to go that route fine..but at least give our character the chance to choose how they react. Is it too much to have a cutscene with us being alone and we have the choice to react? Like punching the wall in anger or hiding our face in our hands as a sign of sadness? Heck they could even just give us the choice of not caring at all..It annoys me that everyone always tells us how we should just live on, smile and get over it fast...no sorry SE I cant get over some deaths fast and I absolutely hate how every NPCs is like "welp life goes on and everything is fine again..". Maybe this is a little Asian thing because they often dont show such emotions but it would be nice to include at least the choice for the WoL. Well in the end I play my character like she is already over the breaking point and just smiles on the outside and feels empty on the inside. Kinda makes it all a little more dramatic and in my opinion more realistic. [Oh look down a lot of people are outright murdered..welp lets look a little frowny but dont show much distress or panic or anything like that..we are just a weapon after all..no need for emotions ]


    Beast Tribe

    Please SE more quests like that. A little drama at the beginning but solving everything in the end for good. (And dancing like hell ) I also like the beast tribe members way more than most of the scions. Especially deftarm. I am so proud of him, he kinda learned some sass from my character. *teary eyed* I also liked that they used that cat boy as an enemy again but at the same time I kinda found it a little over the top that it ended the same way as last time..hopefully this time he will not survive such a fall..[after watching the camera zooming in on him all I could think of was "no wonder that he loves madness...poor kitty man has nothing in his underwear and looks flat like a girl" ]


    Hildibrand

    It really shows how I distrust SE about making Happy Endings because for a short time It truly believed that it will end in a tragic way..thankfully it was not and I really hope that Gigi will still play a part in another sidequest in the future. I loved Cyrl character development and I hope that we can talk to him later. It still kinda felt too short and was not as funny as the one before that or the 2.0 ones but still I loved it way more than the MSQ.


    School quest

    I was not a fan of this side quest because it kinda started of slow and boring imo and with that much time between each part it was really hard to remember the people but the final had at least some nice new lore information about Isghard and I do like the "Harry Potter" NPC. Still it would have been nice to have more chances of solving it ourself like the one in Gold Saucer. Kinda curious if those characters will ever get another screen time. Still I enjoyed it way more than the MSQ..kinda sad..


    Warring triad

    Even if I like that we finally saw a enemy soldier in a more positive light and kinda worked together with him for a short amount of time, I wished that they showed his change already a little bit in the last quest..because for me it kinda came a little to fast. All this talk to Ulkukhai (sorry for all the misspelling) raised a lot of death flags and I feared that he would be tempered..well he was not but still died..another one on the long list of sacrificed characters..Zurvan itself did not feel as good as the other two and I just shake my head on my character standing there again and watching Ulukhai nearly being killed..what a great warrior we are..the ending was alright but lots of this was already discussed in this forum so barely any surprises. I do find it kinda strange that we just accept him into our group after being told that he works for Elidibus..its like we were never betrayed before in the story, right?..*sigh*

    [is it mean that I was like "please put that mask back on..your face looks strange? ]


    24 man raid

    It was alright. It was nice that it showed that the void creatures truly only care about themselves and the city really looked beautiful. I am also quite happy that Caith survived. Really my hopes had been quite low since SE loves to use death on such characters so it was really a great positive surprise.
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    Last edited by Alleo; 01-20-2017 at 07:00 PM.

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