Why do people say its spoiling?

[ElHeggunte]

This is a personal pet peeve of mine. I can understand wanting to go in blind, but if you're doing it at the expense of the time and enjoyment of the rest of the group, you're being an asshole. Sometimes it's okay for you to wing it because a failed mechanic simply means only you die, but plenty of fights have mechanics that can easily destroy an entire group if you do them wrong. If someone tries to inform you ahead of time of what to expect, they're doing it because they already wiped a bunch of times and they're trying to spare you and the rest of the group from the same. Listen.

Going in blind may be fun to you, but you know what's not fun? Wiping 9 minutes into a 10 minute encounter because one guy didn't want to be 'spoiled' and refused to join in while everyone else discussed mechanics. Especially when it happens more than once because mechanics aren't always clear enough to learn on the first shot (and some people are idiots). Don't be that guy, be a team player.

[MomomiMomi]

If someone tries to inform you ahead of time of what to expect, they're doing it because they already wiped a bunch of times and they're trying to spare you and the rest of the group from the same.

No, they're doing it to spare themselves from wiping.

[Emstidor]

This is a personal pet peeve of mine. I can understand wanting to go in blind, but if you're doing it at the expense of the time and enjoyment of the rest of the group, you're being an asshole. Sometimes it's okay for you to wing it because a failed mechanic simply means only you die, but plenty of fights have mechanics that can easily destroy an entire group if you do them wrong. If someone tries to inform you ahead of time of what to expect, they're doing it because they already wiped a bunch of times and they're trying to spare you and the rest of the group from the same. Listen.

Going in blind may be fun to you, but you know what's not fun? Wiping 9 minutes into a 10 minute encounter because one guy didn't want to be 'spoiled' and refused to join in while everyone else discussed mechanics. Especially when it happens more than once because mechanics aren't always clear enough to learn on the first shot (and some people are idiots). Don't be that guy, be a team player.

It's been a single day since the content came out, lmao

[ElHeggunte]

It's been a single day since the content came out, lmao

So? I'm speaking generally. And day one or day one hundred, my point still firmly stands: if your blind run starts to negatively impact the rest of the group but you refuse to take advice, you're just being an asshole. There are 23 other people in the group and I'm positive not all of them want a blind run or appreciate having to waste time on easily avoidable wipes because the one guy who didn't want to listen kept getting marked for mechanics.

To reiterate, since apparently I wasn't clear enough: Blind runs are fine to an extent, but the moment you start to negatively impact the rest of your group you maybe should get over yourself and let someone explain the mechanics.

[ZeratoTyrael]

I really don't understand this concept.... sure I like figuring things out, but when you're with a "matched" group of people it's normally just an all around better idea to know what's going on in the fight. When it comes to DF you can't help who you're matched with, so if you want to play a certain way it's going to be a safer bet to PF or premade the content. If everyone is brand new to the content and no one has been informed on strats, then by all means let's enjoy figuring it out together. On the other hand, if someone does tell the strats, don't vilify them for wanting a successful run. Some people like coming prepared, while others like to wing it. Neither side is better than the other since we all have to actually experience it one way or another.

[Hirmu]

if your blind run starts to negatively impact the rest of the group but you refuse to take advice, you're just being an asshole. There are 23 other people in the group and I'm positive not all of them want a blind run or appreciate having to waste time on easily avoidable wipes because the one guy who didn't want to listen kept getting marked for mechanics.

Or how about this: If your inability to handle some wiping on the first day or two starts to negatively impact the rest of the group but you refuse to take advice, you're just being an asshole. There are 23 other people in the group and I'm positive some of them have their experience ruined by someone spoiling the fight for them because some people can't let them have this one opportunity to figure stuff out by themselves.

To reiterate: explaining mechanics is fine almost always, but the moment you start to ruin the experience from the rest of the group on the first few days of a new patch, you maybe should get over yourself and shut up when being asked to shut up. You'll get to play it your way for all eternity after those few days anyway.

[Zojha]

You'll get to play it your way for all eternity after those few days anyway.

So does the other side. In both cases, via party finder. Because that's what party finder is for: To make a group according to your and only your specifications. Want a full miqo'te run? You can do that. Want a guaranteed blind run? You can do that. Want a run where everyone cleared already? You can do that. Want a speedrun? Want a slow run? Both are possible! And anytime at that!

In duty finder, you don't get to make those specifications. And the most mature way to go about that is to ask who wants what, explain that you'll do a ready check as poll and what "ready" and what "not ready" mean in that context, then vote this way and go by majority. You can leave if you don't like the result, but please make a party finder next time. That's how civilized men and women would do it.

[Taika]

So does the other side.

The first few days are the only ones ever when it's possible to do blind runs for this content, so it doesn't really apply the other way around.