Why do people say its spoiling?

[aesteval]

...but don't those people realise they should be pf'ing a full party for such a restriction?

Why should someone have to PF just to be able to do a blind run ON THE SAME DAY CONTENT IS RELEASED? Everyone is new that day, deal with it.

[aesteval]

Then simply disable chat. What use is chat to you in the middle of a 24 player raid if you don't want to talk about tactics?

Because even on a blind run you want to be able to discuss tactics for what you saw that led to a wipe. Different views of the battle see different parts of the battle and discussing that is part of strategy planning during a blind run.

[LionFranco]

I think that it is nice to go in blind to new fights, but if you wipe on a fight then it is completely fair to have the fight explained. As someone said earlier, different people have different perspectives, so it's called coordination to defeat your common foe.

[aesteval]

On the other hand, if someone does tell the strats, don't vilify them for wanting a successful run.

When people unsolicited explain mechanics for content which is only a few hours old it's excessive. I'm not going to fault villifying in that case. If you go into new content, do not expect perfect runs. Let people experience the fight for themselves because not everyone can be online and running new content the moment the servers come back up from maint.

[Taika]

Let people experience the fight for themselves because not everyone can be online and running new content the moment the servers come back up from maint.

Exactly, the opportunity to experience the content without spoilers should not be reserved only for those who are able to log in and queue within the first hour of servers opening.

[NinjaTaru72]

Blind runs are fine, but there's no need to be a pain In the butt. I like blind runs(I'll never watch a video, screw that) but getting a few pointers ruins nothing.

[alimdia]

Be considerate, if you don't want to be part of someone else's learning experience then don't do it on day 1 when everyone is still learning.

It doesn't matter how you rationalize it, whether you have limited time or don't want to wipe, it's day 1.

[Remus]

Sadly people who generally go in blind don't learn from their mistake and die to the same mechanic again. People shouldn't be wiping 5/6+ times on a boss with so few mechanics.

[Taika]

Sadly people who generally go in blind don't learn from their mistake and die to the same mechanic again.

I don't find this to be true at all based on my experience. Our wholee raid group always goes in blind to these things, and we do that to pay attention to what's happening, discuss and learn. Of course it takes some wipes to see what happens when you do this or that. These fights are designed in a way that most stuff is really self-evident when you've seen it happen a few times and tried a couple of different things. This to me is the whole point of doing this content in the first place, so I really don't understand why people feel the need to ruin it for others.

[LionFranco]

Agreed Remus, by that time, anyone who complains about the mechanics being explained is just being a troll who is trying to ruin it for others.