So... that spiderman shirt... (new job tease)

[Shippuu]

Female Miqo'te have the bust slider, but male Miqo'te do not have the muscle slider, for example.

Just wanted to point out this is a poor example. The bust slider and muscle sliders are not counterparts in the character creator. The muscle slider is present only for races that lack a layer of customization option the others have. Elezen/lalafell have ear customization, miqote have tail customizations, etc. As a result only hyur and roegadyn get muscle sliders (for both male and female).

[RaijinSupreme]

Bard was male only while dancer was female only (Final Fantasy Tactics)
It was more or less the same, while bard was buffing the group, dancer was debuffing the enemy.
Their strength was in field wide range!



When we look at FFTA or FFTA2 they even added race only jobs (viera only, moogle only, bangaa only... and so on)

We will never have gender locked jobs for the same reason we have female Roes & male Miqotes.

[Cynfael]

We will never have gender locked jobs for the same reason we have female Roes & male Miqotes.

Because burly women and lithe-bodied men aren't a thing?

[Vexander]

Just wanted to point out this is a poor example. The bust slider and muscle sliders are not counterparts in the character creator. The muscle slider is present only for races that lack a layer of customization option the others have. Elezen/lalafell have ear customization, miqote have tail customizations, etc. As a result only hyur and roegadyn get muscle sliders (for both male and female).

So there is no male-specific customization option. Someone told me the muscle slider was it. Never really toyed around much in character customization, but it seemed to make sense. Women can increase or decrease their bust, guys their muscles. Guess this is just a broader example of how female characters already receive more favoritism than males.

[RaijinSupreme]

Because burly women and lithe-bodied men aren't a thing?

what? they are a thing, that's why we have that archetype available in the game.

[Cynfael]

what? they are a thing, that's why we have that archetype available in the game.

I was more wondering where you were trying to go with that comment; it read to me more as if female Roes and male Miqo'te were being called out as concessions to political correctness.

[RaijinSupreme]

I was more wondering where you were trying to go with that comment; it read to me more as if female Roes and male Miqo'te were being called out as concessions to political correctness.

Then you misunderstood.

In FFXI, where our current races originated from, The burly race (Galka) was an all male race, while the cat people (Mithra) was an all female race.

When they were brought here, the females were added to the burly one, and males were added to the cat people. They didn't want to limit player choice when creating a character, and the gender-locking race thing is an outdated and tired concept anyway.

But that's the same reason why there won't be gender-locking jobs. It limits player choice with an outdated concept.

That's what I meant by "We will never have gender locked jobs for the same reason we have female Roes & male Miqotes."

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

Then you misunderstood.

In FFXI, where our current races originated from, The burly race (Galka) was an all male race, while the cat people (Mithra) was an all female race.

When they were brought here, the females were added to the burly one, and males were added to the cat people. They didn't want to limit player choice when creating a character, and the gender-locking race thing is an outdated and tired concept anyway.

But that's the same reason why there won't be gender-locking jobs. It limits player choice with an outdated concept.

That's what I meant by "We will never have gender locked jobs for the same reason we have female Roes & male Miqotes."

Not 100% true, they added the male and female for roe/miqo for 2.0, in 1.0 it was the same as XI

[RaijinSupreme]

Not 100% true, they added the male and female for roe/miqo for 2.0, in 1.0 it was the same as XI

Because 1.0 was developed by the same producer, director and other main staffers of ffxi, who probably thought the outdated concept was a good idea, like the other outdated concepts they implemented in the game.

So I guess I have to be politically correct and point out the obvious.

Yoshi-P didn't want to limit player choice when he rebooted the game, the game we're playing now.

[Cynfael]

Then you misunderstood.

In FFXI, where our current races originated from, The burly race (Galka) was an all male race, while the cat people (Mithra) was an all female race.

When they were brought here, the females were added to the burly one, and males were added to the cat people. They didn't want to limit player choice when creating a character, and the gender-locking race thing is an outdated and tired concept anyway.

But that's the same reason why there won't be gender-locking jobs. It limits player choice with an outdated concept.

That's what I meant by "We will never have gender locked jobs for the same reason we have female Roes & male Miqotes."

I see. Thanks for the background info; I didn't play FFXI, so I was missing that piece of the story. I'm sorry for assuming that you were going to be yet another person making an unsolicited snarky comment about character models.