Stupid reason to report someone

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

If you can you DPS, you have to.

The game has been designed this way, i wouldn't mind players only healing if they were way more non-avoidable damages.

Well, as the main healer of my static, I CAN dps, and I CAN simply assume my co-healer will pick up my slack where and when I'm not healing, but I can also get my tank and my party killed that way pretty easily. So yes, I can, but do I have to? No. And there's not a single situation in game where I have to. Which is why I'm happy to do so, but will default to my main role for the sake of party success no matter what. I got nothing to prove. Sure, that's a raiding situation, but I used that merely to throw a wrench into the logic of "if you can, you have to". If I can, I will, but priority #1 is keeping my party alive and well. Period.

Also, I keep seeing so many extreme cases here. People saying "if the healer doesn't need to heal, they're just standing/jumping/emoting around and that's wrong". Yes, it IS wrong, but don't assume every healer will do that. Bad/lazy/selfish players will do that, yes, and they'll do it even if they aren't a healer.

[Kosmos992k]

If you can you DPS, you have to.

The game has been designed this way, i wouldn't mind players only healing if they were way more non-avoidable damages.

Well as someone who plays PLD, WHM and SCH, and who's partner plays WHM exclusively, I'll take that comment about DPSing and throw in;

"If you can dodge an AoE, you have to."

The game has been designed this way. I wouldn't mind damage dealers needing to be healed if only they'd stop standing in stupid (aka avoidable damage) and allow me a little time to throw in some offense.

::sweet smile::

[Vidu]

snip

You seem pretty extreme to me aswell, defending the position that a healer absolutly doesnt have to DPS because their main job is healing - and yet you should be aware of the fact that most dungeons, trials and even raids have downtimes when absolutly no healing at all is required, making the healer pretty much useless in that moment (except they're a handsome male elezen, then they're eye-candy, but thats a rare case).

Just doing the very bare minimum of what is required is a pretty shitty attitude in general. If you activly choose not to dps as a healer, regardless of circumstances (and if someone like the OP or to an extend yourself are making statments like "As a healer I only heal, period" thats pretty much that) thats just bad behaviour and playstyle (and again: also not what the game tells you about how to play as a healingclass. The whole conjurer-questline is "its wrong to use only your healing spells!" - and apparently healers are getting through MQS and stuff without refusing to heal, why cant you extend that to dungeons?).
Imagine you're working in an office with a coffeemaschine, you drink that coffee but never cook fresh one - because your contract doesnt says that you have to, you're only getting paid to push papers around. Can they fire you? No. Will you create a hostile atmosphere towards yourself? Hell yes. Do you deserve that? Absolutly. You made your choice not to be a decent part of the team.

For the argument of "dungeons arent designed with healer-dps in mind": most dungeons can easly be cleared with only one dps; you can even solo most dungeons (yes, even synched, I remember those videos from 2 years ago or so: a warrior doing WP by himself when it was still somewhat current content) - that doesnt make it okay for one dps to just sit on their bum or only auto-attack and be like "well, you dont need me to do anything anyways, right? You can clear this without me"

No one here, I believe, has a problem with a healer not feeling comfortable to dps. But at least I have a problem with people defending the point of view "You dont have to dps, you can just be lazy, no need to improve yourself, dont worry about it!" because that actually encourages bad playstyle.

[ckc22]

Stealth lazy healer thread for the billionth time.

Doing dps in downtime is part of the design. Get into it, get over it, or get out.

[DaikiKiyoshi]

Stealth lazy healer thread for the billionth time.

Doing dps in downtime is part of the design. Get into it, get over it, or get out.

Actually healer dps was never taken into consideration in the designs and tuning for the majority of instances.

[CGMidlander]

Actually healer dps was never taken into consideration in the designs and tuning for the majority of instances.

Said content can be done with both DPS afk as well, what with the lack of enrage timers. But, most people wouldn't like that, would they?

If you are present, you should do what you can to contribute to killing stuff faster. Casting a heal every 7 GCDs and doing nothing in between is pure laziness.

[DaikiKiyoshi]

Said content can be done with both DPS afk as well, what with the lack of enrage timers. But, most people wouldn't like that, would they?

If you are present, you should do what you can to contribute to killing stuff faster. Casting a heal every 7 GCDs and doing nothing in between is pure laziness.

Damage dealers dps isn't what's being discussed here though. It's healer dps. Related topics? Perhaps. But not the one we are currently on. And yours is a flawed comparison anyway. Damage dealers are supposed to do damage period. Healers are healers first and damage dealers second. This means as long as they heal everyone they are doing their job. Certainly not to your standards, but to the average standards of the entire community they are doing fine.

[CGMidlander]

This means as long as they heal everyone they are doing their job. Certainly not to your standards, but to the average standards of the entire community they are doing fine.

Again, that's only a technicality. People of that description are still lazy.

A healer doesn't have to do massive DPS to help. Even a modest amount is better than nothing. (Which, is what you're trying to defend here.)

[VanilleFang]

Actually healer dps was never taken into consideration in the designs and tuning for the majority of instances.

They didn't say it was the intended design for instances. Their post more says "design of the role", at least to me anyway. If it wasn't an intended design than why is healing so light, and healers are given spells like Holy/Gravity?

[Kosmos992k]

They didn't say it was the intended design for instances. Their post more says "design of the role", at least to me anyway. If it wasn't an intended design than why is healing so light, and healers are given spells like Holy/Gravity?

Healing is not light in the content as designed. But the content was not designed to be overgeared the way it is. The item level and level sync are completely insufficient to the task. All the comments from people in this topic about not needing heals in dungeons are based on dungeons where you are completely overgeared, sync'd or not. The original intent of level sync was to maintain not just the challenge but the three roles of the trinity in older content. As we can all see from running older content that is not what happens.

I'm also a bit ticked off at the usual MOAR DPS crowd and their dismissive view of healers. Next time you need a heal and I'm your white mage, perhaps I should pause and ask if you need my healing arts now?