Stupid reason to report someone

[Remus]

Clearly most of these healers haven't done Hall of the Novice. They clearly say if everyone is full hp and no heals are required and you know its safe don't be afraid to throw out some damaging spells. I guess we need to send some of these healers to Hall of the Novice it seems.

[RosaLunaCelestia]

Dps when there is nothing to heal ;D

Im training me to dps and heal in same time as SCH in this moment xd i know i will succeed a day x)

When im WHM, my main healer class , its more easy to heal and dps in same time. Solo heal dps ravana ex by exemple its a pleasure

On the way , any help as SCH or AST ? Its both class iv difficulties to dps and heal in same times.

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

I'm pretty sure most people here do agree that "where you can, you should." What we disagree on is "where you can, you MUST", and that's where the debate happens. If you don't, that's on you, and yes it's frowned upon, but it's not the x factor in whether or not your party will be able to clear content. Yes, if you don't and the content is pretty light enough that incoming damage doesn't require constant management, then there's little else to do for a healer, so why not? But when someone demands you do it, as if your lack of dps makes or breaks the run, that's just not true.

Healers: DPS if you can. DPS when you can. But understand that your DPS is effectively considered extra - under the ideal situation of combined tank and dps damage output being at or above average for the content at hand - and honestly, don't stress over it. More importantly, don't let it supercede performing your primary role. I'm sure that one little point is something all can agree upon.

[Watachy]

Dps when there is nothing to heal ;D
Im training me to dps and heal in same time as SCH in this moment xd i know i will succeed a day x)
When im WHM, my main healer class , its more easy to heal and dps in same time. Solo heal dps ravana ex by exemple its a pleasure
On the way , any help as SCH or AST ? Its both class iv difficulties to dps and heal in same times.

Would be a pleasure to help you since im playing both and dpsing a lot with those jobs.
Guess we should meet in the healer section of our french forum :d

[Watachy]

"where you can, you MUST"

If you can you DPS, you have to.

The game has been designed this way, i wouldn't mind players only healing if they were way more non-avoidable damages.

[AmalonStar]

If you can you DPS, you have to.

The game has been designed this way, i wouldn't mind players only healing if they were way more non-avoidable damages.

It's not like it was back on FF11 where when you weren't healing the party you were on a knee recovering mp so the puller can just keep them coming. The way things are now on 14 you can use that time to do a little bit of dps and help out that way rather than just standing there doing nothing.

[Erik501]

I am sorry, but I can't see the reason of this argument. I have some questions for both parts of the argument:

For the no DPS healers: Is it because you get too stressed when you try? No problem, just say so. Most people will understand it and let you be. Is it because you don't feel confident enough? No problem, just say so. Is it because you just think that you should not DPS because... reasons? Ok, fine by me but, why don't you just try? Give it a shot at least, there is no reason to be closeminded about it. This is only a game. If you try and just don't like it I would bet it will be probably for one of the two reasons I said before and, again, it's no problem, just say so.

For the other part of the argument: guys, it is the duty finder. It is fine to offer advise, I myself am learning a lot through it, but some of you seem to be much more concerned with the performance of other people than your own. Why is that? Don't you have fun doing your thing the best you can? If you do then, well, do it then and have fun. Is it that you can only have fun if you are constantly calling out everybody else everytime because they are not doing things as you think the should be doing? Ok, fine by me, but in that case the party finder is your tool to do so, not the duty finder. Is it for "time efficiency"? Well, let me remind you that this is a MMORPG, I mean, it is desinged to be a huge time sink. If you have found a way to feel the illusion of not being wasting time doing something designed to actually waste time then it's fine by me again, however if you expect everybody else to do the same mental juggling as you then you are expecting too much and, again, you can use the party finder for that, no the duty finder.

[Watachy]

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Yeah it's really fun to actually do things and see your healer sitting down, emote spamming or jumping around in xelphatol.
That's what i call a carry or a lazy player.

Asking healers to heal ? Fine, i've nothing to argue with someone on what the party should or should not do.
Respond something like "i play the way i want" and i will be pissed off. And im not talking about the players that don't respond even once and stay lazy.

The way you want to play is bothering 3, 7 or 23 other people, that's a votekick call.

[Erik501]

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Well, I play a tank because I enjoy it. I don't care what the healer does as long as he/she is trying to keep the party alive because I have fun playing as a tank, and since that is exactly what I am doing and the healer is doing what is required to keep me doing it then I am perfectly fine and having a lot of fun. We have two tools here: party finder and duty finder. Can you have fun just doing your thing the best you can regardless of how good or bad the others are doing their thing? If that is the case, as it is my case, then the duty finder is your tool. Can you have fun only if everybody else perform according to your own standards? If that is the case, as it seems to be your case, then the party finder is your tool. None of us is right and none of us is wrong, we just enjoy different things. However it is not like we are helpless, we have options: duty finder and party finder. Use them accordingly and we will all be fine.

[Dsync]

You can easily switch the 'party finder' argument around. If you want to play to below what your class is able to do (since the meta is that heal dps) then you should find like minded people. Otherwise when you meet strangers then you should be putting in the effort, or expect a kick. Seems the duty finder is used by some because they know they're unlikely to meet people again, so they don't try.

My understanding is this is how the Japanese servers do it. Party Finder = Practice/Play to below standards (often as practice) with others like-minded. Duty Finder = Full effort as playing with strangers (don't want to be rude).

If you're playing with 3/7/23 other strangers who find your poor performance to be a hindrance to them, then don't be shocked if you get kicked. You're playing with strangers as a group and should be making an effort beyond hitting 3-5 buttons and spamming the jump bar. If everyone in the party did that then the dungeons would take forever and, since the game only has two dungeons in the expert, would likely result in a massive fall in people doing them. Killing the game at the end, all because people couldn't be bothered to try because " my sub, screw trying as a group with people I don't know"