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[Watachy]

"where you can, you MUST"

If you can you DPS, you have to.

The game has been designed this way, i wouldn't mind players only healing if they were way more non-avoidable damages.

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

If you can you DPS, you have to.

The game has been designed this way, i wouldn't mind players only healing if they were way more non-avoidable damages.

Well, as the main healer of my static, I CAN dps, and I CAN simply assume my co-healer will pick up my slack where and when I'm not healing, but I can also get my tank and my party killed that way pretty easily. So yes, I can, but do I have to? No. And there's not a single situation in game where I have to. Which is why I'm happy to do so, but will default to my main role for the sake of party success no matter what. I got nothing to prove. Sure, that's a raiding situation, but I used that merely to throw a wrench into the logic of "if you can, you have to". If I can, I will, but priority #1 is keeping my party alive and well. Period.

Also, I keep seeing so many extreme cases here. People saying "if the healer doesn't need to heal, they're just standing/jumping/emoting around and that's wrong". Yes, it IS wrong, but don't assume every healer will do that. Bad/lazy/selfish players will do that, yes, and they'll do it even if they aren't a healer.

[Vidu]

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You seem pretty extreme to me aswell, defending the position that a healer absolutly doesnt have to DPS because their main job is healing - and yet you should be aware of the fact that most dungeons, trials and even raids have downtimes when absolutly no healing at all is required, making the healer pretty much useless in that moment (except they're a handsome male elezen, then they're eye-candy, but thats a rare case).

Just doing the very bare minimum of what is required is a pretty shitty attitude in general. If you activly choose not to dps as a healer, regardless of circumstances (and if someone like the OP or to an extend yourself are making statments like "As a healer I only heal, period" thats pretty much that) thats just bad behaviour and playstyle (and again: also not what the game tells you about how to play as a healingclass. The whole conjurer-questline is "its wrong to use only your healing spells!" - and apparently healers are getting through MQS and stuff without refusing to heal, why cant you extend that to dungeons?).
Imagine you're working in an office with a coffeemaschine, you drink that coffee but never cook fresh one - because your contract doesnt says that you have to, you're only getting paid to push papers around. Can they fire you? No. Will you create a hostile atmosphere towards yourself? Hell yes. Do you deserve that? Absolutly. You made your choice not to be a decent part of the team.

For the argument of "dungeons arent designed with healer-dps in mind": most dungeons can easly be cleared with only one dps; you can even solo most dungeons (yes, even synched, I remember those videos from 2 years ago or so: a warrior doing WP by himself when it was still somewhat current content) - that doesnt make it okay for one dps to just sit on their bum or only auto-attack and be like "well, you dont need me to do anything anyways, right? You can clear this without me"

No one here, I believe, has a problem with a healer not feeling comfortable to dps. But at least I have a problem with people defending the point of view "You dont have to dps, you can just be lazy, no need to improve yourself, dont worry about it!" because that actually encourages bad playstyle.

[Kosmos992k]

If you can you DPS, you have to.

The game has been designed this way, i wouldn't mind players only healing if they were way more non-avoidable damages.

Well as someone who plays PLD, WHM and SCH, and who's partner plays WHM exclusively, I'll take that comment about DPSing and throw in;

"If you can dodge an AoE, you have to."

The game has been designed this way. I wouldn't mind damage dealers needing to be healed if only they'd stop standing in stupid (aka avoidable damage) and allow me a little time to throw in some offense.

::sweet smile::

[Greedalox]

::sweet smile::

Every DPS healer thread ever agrees with you? DPS if people don't need healing... don't know where you're getting the idea that you're expected to put out more damage than a DPS with holy spam if they're standing in everything. Nobody is saying anything like that at all >.>

[Kosmos992k]

Every DPS healer thread ever agrees with you? DPS if people don't need healing... don't know where you're getting the idea that you're expected to put out more damage than a DPS with holy spam if they're standing in everything. Nobody is saying anything like that at all >.>

Hmmm... Did I mention holy spam? No, I talked about DDs not standing in stupid since a lot of healer time can be consumed by healing avoidable damage. If players would actually avoid such damage, healers would have more time to use their attacks. I'm not sure why you ask "Every DPS healer thread ever agrees with you?", nor why you think I said that healers should out DPS damage dealers. I made no statement about either of those things at all. I think maybe you're trying to argue with me about something someone else said.

No where have I said that healers should not try to dps if they can, which is exactly the message of the Hall of Novices, it re-emphasizes again and again that the healer's 1st responsibility is healing and they can take the opportunity to do some damage - IF - circumstances allow. But the only reason this discussion persists is because of numerous people whining that such and such a healer was lazy because they did not DPS. Stop insulting other players and demanding that they play your way. Sure most decent healers will try to find some time to help kill things, but it's not mandatory and people should stop acting like it is.

I think my first post in this stupidity stated that the healer's role is to heal, and that any DPS they can contribute is a bonus, but it's not mandatory and people should stop making that demand of healers. What is there in that statement to argue with?

[Greedalox]

Zoop

I used Holy Spam as an example of healer dps because you said you play White Mage. Healer DPS is the whole idea behind the thread so I don't know why you're making it sound so abstract that I mentioned it.

The post I also quoted with the -Sweet Smile- you mentioned that maybe healers could DPS more if DPS stopped taking unnecessary damage (Which you just reaffirmed in the post above), but my entire reply was dedicated to telling you that you're barking up the wrong tree because nobody I've read yet in the 80+ pages of Healer DPS threads has remotely stated that there's expectations for you to maintain Holy Spam (Read as Healer DPS) if your team is unable to avoid unnecessary damage.

Nobody expects a healer to DPS if healing needs to be done.

[Kosmos992k]

I used Holy Spam as an example of healer dps because you said you play White Mage. Healer DPS is the whole idea behind the thread so I don't know why you're making it sound so abstract that I mentioned it.

The post I also quoted with the -Sweet Smile- you mentioned that maybe healers could DPS more if DPS stopped taking unnecessary damage (Which you just reaffirmed in the post above), but my entire reply was dedicated to telling you that you're barking up the wrong tree because nobody I've read yet in the 80+ pages of Healer DPS threads has remotely stated that there's expectations for you to maintain Holy Spam (Read as Healer DPS) if your team is unable to avoid unnecessary damage.

Nobody expects a healer to DPS if healing needs to be done.

Again, I didn't talk at all about Holy Spam. Stone 3 is quite nice for doing some decent damage, Holy Spam is nice in an AoE situation, but hardly the primary DPS tool for a WHM. You're completely re framing the discussion in order to try to invalidate what has been said. If anyone is barking up the wrong tree, it would be you my friend. Your final statement again stresses Holy Spam, which I haven't talked about, you may see that as the only thing a WHM can do beyond healing, but fortunately most WHM do not.

And again I will say it;

I talked about DDs not standing in stupid since a lot of healer time can be consumed by healing avoidable damage. If players would actually avoid such damage, healers would have more time to use their attacks.

The healer's role is to heal, and that any DPS they can contribute is a bonus, but it's not mandatory and people should stop making that demand of healers. What is there in that statement to argue with?

[Greedalox]

Again, I didn't talk at all about Holy Spam. Stone 3 is quite nice for doing some decent damage, Holy Spam is nice in an AoE situation, but hardly the primary DPS tool for a WHM. You're completely re framing the discussion in order to try to invalidate what has been said. If anyone is barking up the wrong tree, it would be you my friend. Your final statement again stresses Holy Spam, which I haven't talked about, you may see that as the only thing a WHM can do beyond healing, but fortunately most WHM do not.

And again I will say it;

You're really difficult to argue with because you're avoiding the entire point. I said Holy Spam simply as reference to you saying you played WHM. It's not like I'm pretending Stone 3, SCH or AST don't exist. It was just an example (Plus Holy can easily be most of a Healers DPS in a dungeon so saying it isn't primary is kinda silly). As for your reframing comment, let me put it into perspective before you say "I didn't say nothin' about holy spam". I'm saying ALL healers have the tools to DPS and Heal in dungeons, but Nobody expects a healer to DPS if healing needs to be done.

I was replying to a singular post of yours in the first place and my issue with THAT post in which you spoke about Healers maybe actually having a chance to DPS if DPS didn't take damage. That's my issue, not your other posts your acting like I have issue with.