Stupid reason to report someone

[Musashidon]

since my preference to have a fast and smooth run.

what? since they aren't playing the way you want you will stop that? but its wrong to stop you from playing how you want?! what?

also what?! see more extremes when does a easy dungeon doable in i200 gear or less = a current end game raid?!

just because one person can pull 2k dps and another person only pulls 1k doesn't = carrying simply because you believe making the run faster is important.

also i am not talking about ilvl i am talking about actual requirements.

if a boss fight requires a average of a total of 3k dps to beat and it equals out to be 1k from tank 1k from one dps and 1k more from another doesn't mean anyone is getting carried 0 from healer noone is carried. (but that is one dam good tank AMIRITE!)

[Settiesama]

what? since they aren't playing the way you want you will stop that? but its wrong to stop you from playing how you want?! what?

also what?! see more extremes when does a easy dungeon doable in i200 gear or less = a current end game raid?!

just because one person can pull 2k dps and another person only pulls 1k doesn't = carrying simply because you believe making the run faster is important.

You like to cut off the following part of things it seems. She said if 3/4 of the dungeon prefers fast, then they shouldn't have to put up with the 4th jumping around. If 3/4 want to muck about and take their time, I'm sure she'll willingly drop from the party.

The content she described was an example, the same rules apply to current EG raids, dungeons and the like. If you can jump, emote, run around, do nothing at all for at least the time it takes to switch to Cleric, cast a few offensive spells and switch back from Cleric before a heal is needed, then you are being lazy for not doing so, as you're just letting others do work while you idle in the back.

Also doing 1k dmg while others are doing 2k+ is a carry as the 1ker obviously isn't pulling their weight (as she mentioned, would have decent ilevel for content). That means they're being lazy while the others are working their butts off.

[Musashidon]

Also doing 1k dmg while others are doing 2k+ is a carry as the 1ker obviously isn't pulling their weight (as she mentioned, would have decent ilevel for content). That means they're being lazy while the others are working their butts off.

a carry implies they aren't doing their job in the duty as long as they are at or above they are. since healers are not considered at all no dps is required. afterwards it's just opinions.

dps wise if all a dps is needed in a dungeon is 1k dps and they do that they are carrying their weight even if someone else is pulling 2k.

being lazy in your opinion doesn't mean someone isn't doing their job.

Because the side that isn't playing effectively is benefiting from it while the side that has to cover from them isn't.

just because you do more doesn't mean you are they aren't pulling their wait. wanting a faster run doesn't = the standard.

When did I ever say that?
I merely stated that IF you were worried about being judged, you should play with people who won't judge you, just like how you stated that IF we were worried about getting in a party with a playstyle we don't agree with, we should go with people with similar playstyles.

actually people who don't play well enough to someones extreme standards they get kicked if someone who plays well doesn't get kicked by a group who doesn't.

that is why i say play with your friends one side hurts the other while the other doesn't.

Oh, if you want insults I can give you those. However, Bourne_Endeavor spelled it out quite plainly and so has everyone else. You are WASTING other people's time by refusing to use nearly a 1/3 of your skill set because "I don't wanna." There is never SOOOOO much incoming damage to the tank or the entire party that you have to hover over their heal bars. That's the way the game is coded. The game itself tells you to do damage and that it's ok to do damage CONSTANTLY as a healer. So, you can't even claim that it doesn't because people have been linking where it does left and right too. At this point it's just willful ignorance on your part.

*willful ignorance* you mean like the fact that everyone here denies the fact that all dungeons are made with 0 healer damage in mind? its ok to ignore that and not listen to it because the game also says you can dps if you want!

he said you don't have to dps as a healer! he must be evil noone should have choices! you have to it's not an option!!!

[Mimilu]

just because you do more doesn't mean you are they aren't pulling their wait. wanting a faster run doesn't = the standard.

Still doesn't mean they aren't benefiting from others' hard work and having to cover for them...

actually people who don't play well enough to someones extreme standards they get kicked if someone who plays well doesn't get kicked by a group who doesn't.
that is why i say play with your friends one side hurts the other while the other doesn't.

Well duh. What kind of person would kick someone doing more work then they are out of a group? Where's the gain in shooting themselves in the foot?
This statement also doesn't disprove my suggesting they you lot should just go with friends/look for a group in PF.
And I agree, your side does hurt the other. :-D

Highlander what the heck. That's so gross.. *initiates vote kick*

Highlanders do have the one good face going for them... >w>

[Musashidon]

This statement also doesn't disprove my suggesting they you lot should just go with friends/look for a group in PF.

it does when one side says change your ways or stop playing and the other side lets them play as they like.

[Joeking]

it does when one side says change your ways or stop playing and the other side lets them play as they like.

Such is life.

[Mimilu]

it does when one side says change your ways or stop playing and the other side lets them play as they like.

No it doesn't because, hopefully, a friend wouldn't tell you to change your ways or stop playing (unless you're doing that badly or are doing something unhealthy).
As for getting people from the PF, well, they agreed to come with you, so they can't really complain because they chose to come... Plus, you can leave a dungeon if it was in a pre-made group without getting a penalty, so they don't have too much to worry about.

[Musashidon]

No it doesn't because, hopefully, a friend wouldn't tell you to change your ways or stop playing (unless you're doing that badly or are doing something unhealthy).
As for getting people from the PF, well, they agreed to come with you, so they can't really complain because they chose to come...

but you can complain in DF because its for the best only? seriously? you are shunning a large group of people because they won't dps on a healer? because they dont do a perfect rotation in every easy dungeon they do? how can you even say that is ok?

[Niwashi]

doing 1k dmg while others are doing 2k+ is a carry as the 1ker obviously isn't pulling their weight

In some cases that would be true. In other cases it's not. It depends on the duty.

If the duty requires that a pair of damage dealers collectively contribute 3K dmg in order to clear a DPS check, and one of them is doing 1K while another does 2K, then yes, that is a carry.

On the other hand, if a duty requires 2K total between both of them, and one is doing 1K while another does 2K, that's not a carry. The 1K damage dealer is providing their full share of the DPS that's needed for that run. That fact doesn't change just because the other is doing more than is needed.

The determining factor in whether you're pulling your weight or not is: if everybody were doing equally well / equally poorly to what you're doing, would that result in a clear or a wipe? If it would result in a clear (even a slow clear) then you're doing your fair share of clearing that run.


Note: That does not answer whether or not you're doing your job well. Many duties are easy enough they don't really require anybody to be doing well, especially if they're over-geared. But that's a separate question from whether you're doing your fair share or being carried. Being adequate and being good aren't always the same thing.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

what? since they aren't playing the way you want you will stop that? but its wrong to stop you from playing how you want?! what?

also what?! see more extremes when does a easy dungeon doable in i200 gear or less = a current end game raid?!

just because one person can pull 2k dps and another person only pulls 1k doesn't = carrying simply because you believe making the run faster is important.

also i am not talking about ilvl i am talking about actual requirements.

if a boss fight requires a average of a total of 3k dps to beat and it equals out to be 1k from tank 1k from one dps and 1k more from another doesn't mean anyone is getting carried 0 from healer noone is carried. (but that is one dam good tank AMIRITE!)

Reading comprehension is not your forte, hmm?

I specifically said three people. If you queue into a dungeon having already decided you won't DPS as a healer. You are disregarding what three other people may prefer. That scenario is only flipped if you promptly ask the tank to pull less since you're new. Should they oblige, then I'd be selfish to purposely pull extra to speed things up. It's a one versus the many argument. One person (the healer) deciding to slow the run down because its their preference regardless of the other players.

If you bothered to read what I actually wrote, you'd know that was not the case. Your argument cited so long as people meet the ilvl requirement, they aren't being carried. I used Savage as an example because Raid Finder has an ilvl. You cannot access A12S without being ilvl 255. Thus, I took your argument and applied to Savage. And yes, that is the definition of a carry. You did substantially more work compared to someone else. We call those instances carries in MMOs. This isn't unique to FFXIV.

Once again, no it isn't. Unless that healer had no opportunity to DPS, the tank and actual DPS carried them. Why? Because in any other scenario, a DPS healer makes the run faster and smother. To your own example, if you swapped those numbers around to where say, a Monk only managed 500 DPS. They were carried.