Stupid reason to report someone

[ZioSerpe]

The game is made so that as a healer you should be DPSing when nothing is happening, if you're just feeling lazy at least don't give attitude about it, just pretend to be bad.

Or not. Just let people play how they want. You don't pay for their sub.

No, you're right, I pay for my sub and you're wasting my time.

[SuperZay]

Or not. Just let people play how they want. You don't pay for their sub.

And you don't pay our subs while standing around and contributing nothing... aside from one Cure II in 30 seconds? When 1/3 of your spells are dps-oriented? A legit reason for afk dismissal.

See, it can go both ways.

[Mimilu]

Or not. Just let people play how they want. You don't pay for their sub.

That may be true but this is an MMO, i.e. other players are playing and paying subs too.
If you can't play your job efficiently, then you are interfering with the other players in your party and forcing them to pick up your slack.
For healers, this means being able to balance healing and DPS. It would be one things if the OP had to compensate for a squishy tank or DPS that are prone to being damage but to just say "I don't wanna" seems lazy...

[Musashidon]

If you can't play your job efficiently, then you are interfering with the other players in your party and forcing them to pick up your slack.

this is untrue for healers as all dungeons are made with healers doing absolutely no damage as said by the devs. (if we are going to talking about dungeon reqs)

telling someone to play efficiently isn't a game req to be able to do dungeons.

just do enough to do the dungeon req and you are fine. if players want to have perfect runs they can play with thier friends.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

this is untrue for healers as all dungeons are made with healers doing absolutely no damage as said by the devs. (if we are going to talking about dungeon reqs)

telling someone to play efficiently isn't a game req to be able to do dungeons.

just do enough to do the dungeon req and you are fine. if players want to have perfect runs they can play with thier friends.

Once again, do you seriously believe dungeons were designed where healers can literally AFK for 80% of them? Omitting a third of your abilities isn't efficient play. I'm not playing Dragoon efficiently if I stop using Heavy Thrust, Battle Litany or BotD. If you want to only do the bare minimum expected of you, why shouldn't you queue with friends instead of forcing three other random people to accept you can be arsed to do better?

[Ralts]

Once again, do you seriously believe dungeons were designed where healers can literally AFK for 80% of them? Omitting a third of your abilities isn't efficient play. I'm not playing Dragoon efficiently if I stop using Heavy Thrust, Battle Litany or BotD. If you want to only do the bare minimum expected of you, why shouldn't you queue with friends instead of forcing three other random people to accept you can be arsed to do better?

If i'd player as a healer throughout a dungeon without dealing damage, i'd be pressing about 1-2 buttons max. These type of healers aren't support healers: they're leechers.

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

Once again, do you seriously believe dungeons were designed where healers can literally AFK for 80% of them?

You may be looking at it the wrong way.

It's not that dungeons and content are designed so that you don't HAVE to do your absolute best, they're designed on the lowest common denominator, so that IF by chance you have someone new, or someone who isn't capable of playing their given role at its absolute highest, you can still clear the content. The difference of course is a matter of minutes, but the big picture is accessibility. Even raids aren't designed based on one single, absolutely perfect execution of mechanics and rotations by 8 people. Gordias came close to that, and STILL wasn't designed with healer DPS in mind, but look how well that went.

To clarify, before anyone comes thundering in to dispute that, raids are designed to require a certain amount of DPS and a degree of precision mechanical timing or handling, but there's still a LOT of leeway, and that's largely to remain somewhat forgiving and flexible for almost any standard comp. The idea is that, generally, if you have 2 tanks, 2 healers, perhaps 2 melees and 2 ranged, it doesn't matter if you DON'T have a DRG, or don't have an AST, or if you even have 2 BRDs and no caster, you can still, with perhaps more effort and proper teamwork, clear the content. But that's raids.

Yoshida has said they make dungeons to be accessible above all else. Yes, even "expert" dungeons. This is a quality of life thing, for the sake of players who may lack time in a busy daily schedule or perfect working knowledge of a given job to still be capable of clearing some kind of content. Maybe it takes 20 minutes instead of 15 because your healer isn't DPSing, but then what are your DPS doing (or NOT doing) that makes it take so long, assuming it could still be done in 15 regardless of a healer dealing damage? What is your tank doing to help, if anything?

See, it's easy to say, "well I'm doing all this work and this guy over here. . ." but fact is, IF the content can be done in a short time, and without even factoring in damage from 1 out of 4 players, then it really becomes a question of "where are WE not doing something together that might make this go faster?" Are we not pulling things together well enough to fully utilize aoes? Are we not buffing or using support skills that will increase party dps? Are we using contradictory skills? (DRK uses Blood Price for MP, but the healer starts Holy spamming, for example). Somewhere in there a breakdown happens, and party damage becomes lesser, or unoptimized, and while it's easy to point a finger at one person, remember you have 3 pointing back at you on that same hand.

For the sake of a good run, why not simply communicate? No really, it's that easy. "Hey MCH, I'm gonna pull all these enemies to this point and use [X tank cooldown]. Put out a Bishop and Hypercharge it for the BLM. Healer, don't worry about healing me unless I drop to [% HP]. Go ahead and Cleric Stance, then you and the DPS go full ham on the deeps, deal?". . . Sure, maybe no one has the time or wants to bother saying all that, but a little communication for team synergy goes a long way, AND guarantees you're all on the same page. And it sure beats raging over what you want someone to do, but didn't say anything about.

[Musashidon]

Once again, do you seriously believe dungeons were designed where healers can literally AFK for 80% of them? Omitting a third of your abilities isn't efficient play. I'm not playing Dragoon efficiently if I stop using Heavy Thrust, Battle Litany or BotD. If you want to only do the bare minimum expected of you, why shouldn't you queue with friends instead of forcing three other random people to accept you can be arsed to do better?

believe? i know they were. it was said, there is no doubt they are made so easy that the whole group can watch netflix barely doing any real rotation.

because in the end i am not the one forcing my own standards on anyone it is you.

if people meet the req to complete a dungeon that is all that matters after that it's all opinion on how someone should be.

[Ama_Hamada]

I got reported because I didn't do damage, as a healer.

I've been healing a9-12 normal regularly and the number one cause of wipes is the other healer does damage and puts all the healer pressure on me.

I do not dps as a healer. It is a choice I make.

Now I was doing a guildhest on an alt because i'm really bored with this game anyway and some dark knight goes and tells me to dps. I took it less than well and I told him off. Then he went off to tell me I was getting reported and proceeded to kill the stupid turtle.

I am not having a good day.

I play DPS and healer on those.
Most of the time a11 wipes just because of a healer skill factor, I do not know what it is. i rarely go DPS on a11 anymore because of it.

I seen a few wipes here and there because of one healer staying in clearic full time and not helping, or straining me more due to lack of aetherflow management on their part.

Even with all that, I never seen someone go off on another saying they need to dps more. I feel something is being left out of the story. Like you said something, and the comeback was something of the lines of dpsing more. Still it does not make sense and DF can be very toxic at times. Still they can't report you for not dpsing as a healer, if that is the only reason.

For the guildhest, that does not make much sense because it really does not matter on that. The "tell him off" depending what you said can be a valid report. If it was me I would shrug it off and just say I do dps as healer. Might of just been a healer main that sees other healers not dps.

[RosaLunaCelestia]

Stop. Just STOP. Stop spreading this around. Your own class quests tell you how wrong you are as a White Mage. They mock Selphie for having the opinion that a healer should only ever heal. When your own NPC trainers try telling you that you should really be DPSing, you cannot, and SHOULD not, pretend otherwise.

I already solo heal and dps as white mage in same time me on ravana ex by exemple XD

I already saw a healer dpsing but lets people die and heal them is too late . This healer got blamed. Why have a healer cant heal as he is supposed to but just dps ?

Dps if u can, if not just heal.

Healer goal is not lets the team die , not really dps or dps too much.