Healing Magic Potency for non-healers

[Cabalabob]

I don't think thats even a discussion, like, there's a reason for someone to be a healer and also a reason why healers have the lowest dps, so if u are going to give dps and tanks more/better heals raise the stone 3, broil and malefic 2 potency to 300 so healers can ALSO be a hybrid job and while dps can heal a healer can dps properly

Well i guess i got carried away since this won't happen anyway, as RDM proved, we won't see hybrid jobs so soon

This would be a fair comparison if healers didn't have cleric's stance. But they do. A BLM/SMN using physick right now is the equivalent of a WHM attempting to use their dps spells without cleric's, pointless, it's so negligible you might as well not do it. And PLD is even worse off since it doesn't even get magic damage on the weapon. There needs to be some kind of scaling to make these moves worth it. It's bad enough right now healing for 200~ of our 30k hp pool, what's it gonna be like at 99 when we have a 500k hp pool and we're still only healing for 400~ hp with cure?

Cure being decent for PLD/BLM/SMN is a far cry from suddenly they're hybrid jobs that will make healers redundant. Healers still get cure/benefic 2, adloquium, AoE heals, larger mp pools, more MND, healing based traits like free cure, oGCD mega heals like asylum, Tetragrammaton, benediction, lustrate etc. Making cure scale better isn't going to make PLD and BLM outheal you...

[Pireco]

damn text limit

If a "decent" healing wont be gamechanging, why u need it?
Btw cleric its not a great deal on overall dps, the best healer dps is roughly 40-50% of a dd dps, and 60-80% of a tank dps , and i acept it happily since i knew my dps is low compared to other roles, as i acepted that blm has no heals, as for healing your 30k hp you dont need to do it by yourself, thats why we have the...surprise... healers
This is a multiplayer game guys, u arnt suposed to do everything by yourselves( except warriors xD, jk)
And healing , when the meta is dps at all costs, is already making the WHM being a redundant job among healers, spread that to dps/tank u dont need em anymore
And imagine a BLM with infinite mp healing like 3k per cast and when he isnt healing it is dpsing crazy... give him an aoe heal and no need for healers anymore, but as i said before to someone , u have your vision as a tank and i have mine as a healer, we can just agree to disagree.

[Cabalabob]

If a "decent" healing wont be gamechanging, why u need it?
Btw cleric its not a great deal on overall dps, the best healer dps is roughly 40-50% of a dd dps, and 60-80% of a tank dps , and i acept it happily since i knew my dps is low compared to other roles, as i acepted that blm has no heals, as for healing your 30k hp you dont need to do it by yourself, thats why we have the...surprise... healers
This is a multiplayer game guys, u arnt suposed to do everything by yourselves( except warriors xD, jk)
And healing , when the meta is dps at all costs, is already making the WHM being a redundant job among healers, spread that to dps/tank u dont need em anymore
And imagine a BLM with infinite mp healing like 3k per cast and when he isnt healing it is dpsing crazy... give him an aoe heal and no need for healers anymore, but as i said before to someone , u have your vision as a tank and i have mine as a healer, we can just agree to disagree.

Show me where I said it won't change anything? Having self sustainability is a huge boon as can be seen by warriors massive self healing kit. Having healing can save a wipe when a healer dies or disconnects which makes a difference. What I said is it's not going to put healers out of the job if PLD and BLM/SMN have access to cure 1... can you honestly imagine saying "oh PLD has a decent cure 1 now! Screw bringing a WHM!"?

And I can say the same back to you if cleric's stance isn't such a big deal then why do you need it? The answer is because it is a big deal, it makes your dps tools worth using. Having "low dps" as a healer and having "no healing" as a dps are not the same thing.

If a BLM is healing they're not dpsing, unlike a healer they don't have regens or a fairy. So that 3k heal (which is probably more than is being asked for by scaling) is costing them a 10k fire 4. So yes I'd say it's a reasonable trade off. And giving them an AoE heal? Leap in logic much?

Your argument was that if healers can't dps why should dps/tanks be able to heal? But that's incorrect, because healers CAN dps thanks to cleric's stance. Yes it's lower than tanks and dps but they have it. Giving BLM/SMN and PLD a better scaling cure/physick makes them have healing, it'd be lower than healers but they'd have it.

Your argument would only work if healers didn't have cleric's stance because then their dps would be so bad it would be equal to the current state of dps heals.

[Pireco]

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I guess theres no point in discussing it, people only want their character to solo everything, so yeah, go for it, but im pretty sure wont happen
And yes no dps =/= than no healing, no dps in this game would be basically useless, no healing is just the way is meant to be in a MULTIPLAYER GAME, as for save from a wipe, if the party can kill a boss without a healer with someone not dpsing and healing less than 3k , u would have cleared it anyway, what i saw happen many times, so, pointless ( ego?)
Btw, giving blm an aoe heal was just saying that, do that and healers arent needed anymore, but if u like it better, 2 blm, i, as a healer , in ex dg heal very little, no wipes still, if in between the very rare healing i could use fire 4....man
Remeber dps here is the meta
Anyway, i wont change my mind , and the game is fine the way it is so, discussing theories is cool but no point in repeat myself over and over

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

people only want their character to solo everything, so yeah.

Any reasonable argument you could've made for not giving dps stronger heals went right out the door the instant you mentioned cleric stance. 'It encroaches on the healers job too much'? That's certainly worth a chuckle, considering the entire point of cleric is to encroach and take over the job that the dps and tanks themselves are supposed to be in charge of.