Please lift glamour restrictions!

[bswpayton]

Honestly, I can see the two sides of the argument, and honestly I feel that both sides are being equally selfish against the opposing side.

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Ha I dont think this i something anyone would accept , thats in opposition for them I think its just the principal of the matter for most. Even tho this would still allow them to essentially in their own view see things as they see fit

[Reaperking386]

Any form of compromise equals a slippery slope and a lost still to those who wish for the AF armor to be preserved to their respective class. Neither side is selfish, but neither side is willing to give an inch. We are all thinking for what is best for the game.

[Aniya_Estlihn]

There really is something to be said when Artifact armor; which we all replace the moment a new tome is out and scarcely look back, is the holdout for a discussion about lifting glamour restrictions. Seriously people, this does not matter as much as you think it does. As most will just glamour over it in the first place.

Honestly, do you truly like looking like everyone else? Do you not want just a bit more customization? I know many who do; including myself, and artifact gear is the least of our concern, as it should be yours as well—since its uses are limited and mean little to nothing aside from "Look at this thing I got that everyone else can get as well if they level the job."

Personally, I want the restrictions removed so that I stop seeing the same designs everywhere. I want them to open the doors to something unique that consists of multiple pieces from different sets and jobs. As I feel that would be a lot more refreshing than "healer in a swimsuit/ taffeta/ revealing gear" "Tank in High Allagan" and so on.

We've reached a point where creativity is needlessly stifled and everyone looks the same, which is a no-no in any game that allows a player to supposedly customize their player avatar.

Why should you care about AF gear when you're just going to replace and or glamour of it in the first place? It makes little to no sense that this is an actual argument that is going on at all as the vast majority of players probably don't care and would welcome the change with open arms. There is no compromise to be had, just the realization that this argument does not matter in the slightest to anyone outside the people who are getting worked up about it in this thread.

[GMERC]

We've reached a point where creativity is needlessly stifled and everyone looks the same, which is a no-no in any game that allows a player to supposedly customize their player avatar.

Sweeping, silly statements like this are EXACTLY the reason I added my previous line to my signature. This is such an absurd thing for you or anyone else to say, and yet it keeps coming up again and again.

Edit: And of course my signature inexplicably vanishes when I edit the post specifically referencing it. Manually posting it.

If we don't have every possible option, that's like having no options at all!

[DarkDedede]

We are all thinking for what is best for the game.

Oh, let's be honest here. We are all thinking of what's best for our own personal experience. Yeah, I'd say that's pretty selfish.

Also, the fact that so many people aren't willing to compromise on hypothetical suggestions, especially when it's really not anyone but the game devs compromise/inch to give, is especially selfish and downright silly.

I'm pretty sure the devs aren't even going to look at this thread anyways. Also, I must give credit where actual credit is deserved. Were any community reps to bother wading through this thread, in search of any thing of use, I tip my proverbial hat to them.

[Reaperking386]

Oh, let's be honest here. We are all thinking of what's best for our own personal experience. Yeah, I'd say that's pretty selfish.

Also, the fact that so many people aren't willing to compromise on hypothetical suggestions, especially when it's really not anyone but the game devs compromise/inch to give, is especially selfish and downright silly.

I'm pretty sure the devs aren't even going to look at this thread anyways. Also, I must give credit where actual credit is deserved. Were any community reps to bother wading through this thread, in search of any thing of use, I tip my proverbial hat to them.

*cracks fingers*

Do not assume that you know me or any other player here. Do not look down on any forum and deem it unworthy to the Devs. You are not a Dev and you are not better than us to look down upon.
We have our passion and hearts for this game and we fight hard for our respective side because we believe on what is good for the game, but sadly one side must lose and one side must win.

[Gemina]

It's best not to respond to that person Gemina, they aren't worth your time or your kind nature. If you counter their argument or disagree with them too often (like I did) they'll eventually just turn to insults and personal attacks against you.

I know, and thank you! But I immediately felt bad about that post because it is not like me to deliberately attack another poster. It was a little uncalled for and the apology was for the entire community. I'll try not to let bouts with RNGesus rub off on the forums in the future.

[Gemina]

That no guild seems to know that you have mastered every other job and treats you like a rookie sprout when you go in and pick a new job instead of someone who is a master of soul crystals. The tying together is what is lacking, for me I understand the history and the lore behind the crystals. But for instance I mention I played swtor everybody knows my great feats if Im jedi knight or a sith lord, but here its like some sort of secret that your character is master of all combat.

With this post, it is easier to see things from your point of view. I couldn't quite understand where you were coming from, and I see that you take the disciplines you've learned very seriously much like I do our artifact gear. If I understand you correctly, it is like you have no main job, or every job is your main. I get that you are limited from expressing that if this is the case.

I see things a little different though. As you said, you can take a job all the way to 60, complete both ARR and HW, go into a guild you've never been in and they have no clue who you are. You're just some washup trying to join the ranks. The way I see a discipline is it is a life-long commitment, much like the Jedi you brought up. So, taking on another discipline means you let go of the abilities, traits, arms, armor, everything exclusive to the job. The WoL is special in the sense that he/she retains the knowledge of all that is learned through innate abilities like the echo and soulstones acquired. This is why I don't really like the silly glams, and am hugely in favor of diversity and exclusivity amongst the classes.

You have to remember that each class/job has it's own storyline that is completely separate from the MSQ, and the MSQ does not identify you as any particular class/job; along with that, most players consider the job they progress the MSQ with their main, but I can see someone being different and throwing every job there is that is of sufficient level at the storyline, constantly changing. Regardless of the playstyle, the game only recognizes you as one job at any given time though unfortunately. Perhaps when another FF MMO comes out, they will consider the dialogue to change depending on what you have completed but that is some heavy coding.

I know it is of little consolation, but have you tried looking up FF artwork, or tried doing any yourself? Many people express what they would like in-game this way and you might find some interesting combinations of AF gear from like-minded people. There is also cosplay. If the game won't let you express yourself, there are many other ways to do so

[Gemina]

I'm pretty sure the devs aren't even going to look at this thread anyways. Also, I must give credit where actual credit is deserved. Were any community reps to bother wading through this thread, in search of any thing of use, I tip my proverbial hat to them.

Whether they do or not, this is a thread they should look at. If someone's job was to listen to the hearts of the FFXIV community, they will find them ripe and in abundance here. Just because I am steadfast in my views does not mean I don't respect the opposing side, and hope others feel the same way.

I've been in this thread from the start, and I can't remember a time anywhere, on any forum where things have been this civil. Yeah, there has been some lashes, but for the most part I'm wanting to invite the whole lot out for drinks.

[DarkDedede]

*cracks fingers*

Do not assume that you know me or any other player here. Do not look down on any forum and deem it unworthy to the Devs. You are not a Dev and you are not better than us to look down upon.
We have our passion and hearts for this game and we fight hard for our respective side because we believe on what is good for the game, but sadly one side must lose and one side must win.

A very inspired performance, I must say. However, I would also warn you against making similar assumptions about others. Assuming the assumed assumption wasn't just part of the performance, of course.

My original criticism was aimed at the thread in general, which from the few pages I browsed, is a "passionate" mess. Also, "do not assume" that any of my responses were directed directly, or indirectly, just for you (that would have been bad form, and rude (this response is, by the way)). The criticism was for the direction the discussion is heading, not just for you.

Contrary to popular belief, the forum community is not above reproach (passion or not). I know this is the internet and all, but let's at least be civil. Personal attacks are pretty much off topic (yes, I also know I am not a mod, but off topic is off topic). I think it would be a much better use of time and energy focus on the topic at hand. We want what we want, because we want it. The only difference that I see is how many others we are willing to include in that which happens to be what we want. Personally I would live with a solution where both "sides" win.

I suppose you can call me a "hopeless optimist." I mean, I seriously still expect the Glamour Log to happen, in some form or fashion (I know, right?).