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  1. #201
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    Quote Originally Posted by bswpayton View Post
    That would be the devs not the soul crystals themselves
    ???

    Lore book doesn't state anything about devs being the reason the WoL cannot wear Paladin armor on their Black Mage?

    Also, let me state: the argument that your character can wear a bikini as a tank, but not a mortarboard as a tank, is irrelevant. That gear is not locked due to the ability of being able to wear it on any class, DoW, DoM, DoL, DoH and all the ones inbetween.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GMERC View Post
    Thank you for clearing up that you have never played a Final Fantasy game with a job system. It at least explains some of the outright baffling things you've been saying in this thread.
    IX had a job system, but she either did not play it, did not pay much attention to it, or was too young to adopt the concept of the job system at the time. FFVII, VIII, and X basically allowed every character to learn everything, and the only thing that separated the characters from one another was their looks and limit breaks.

    Quote Originally Posted by bswpayton View Post
    This game has a rp community as well I rp, Im not just gona pick up 13 jobs and not try to tie them together there is no need to because if I was playing any other game then it would be set and stone that I was only one class. What lifting the gear restrictions would do for me personally is to for instance, my whm could be a caster version of my palidan, my blm could be a caster version of my drk, my warrior could be my astro in tank form.

    I do this already but like ive said a few time casters cant wear heavy armour, so this is why Im not opposed to the ops idea. So yes lifting these restrictions you be beneifical for someone who actually cares to make sense of the job system in ths game by not making them so separate when by nature they cant be because your doing them all one the same charcter Im sorry that you disagree with this. I know what game Im playing and I play this game because I grew up playing 7 through 10.
    The RP community is one of the biggest reasons why the status quo needs to remain that way. If you had played any FF installment prior to VII you would have a better understanding of why it is utterly ridiculous to see a WHM in DRG AF armor healing a group. Forget all the pig suits, bikinis, reindeer costumes, jump potions, and illusions. This is about maintaining the integrity and image of the franchise. THAT is what you're contesting, and you will never win. Like ever. And when players such as yourself keep using the costumes to structure your arguments, it makes we wish SE never would have released them. Not because of any substance it may or may not have, but because SE gave you an inch, and you take a mile. There are SOOOOO many options available to you, but you want the one that you can't have.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gemina View Post
    And when players such as yourself keep using the costumes to structure your arguments, it makes we wish SE never would have released them. Not because of any substance it may or may not have, but because SE gave you an inch, and you take a mile. There are SOOOOO many options available to you, but you want the one that you can't have.
    Beautifully stated. Given the opportunity to voice their desires, the greedy child asks for everything under the sun. Better parenting is needed to correct this attitude lest the child mature into an adult with an unrealistic outlook on how the world works.

    You cannot have everything, because everything takes time. This dev time could be much better spent elsewhere, not continuing to appease the greedy child who will never be satisfied anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gemina View Post
    IX had a job system, but she either did not play it, did not pay much attention to it, or was too young to adopt the concept of the job system at the
    But they did tho, and Im not against lore I love the story line of this game I play the game because of the lore but to me gear glamour is just that glamour. I just was talkin to a fc mate thats a monk and he had on a robe and a snow man head did it bother me that he was wearing this no it did not.

    Just like it wouldnt bother you if a whm had on a full metal gear set, so Im not tryin to get rid of lore. Wat I want is all glamour options available because thats an extra feature of the game that doesnt effect the lore of the game only to those that get upset that its not following the tradition of games that arent this game. Have you played 15 because there is nothing you cant wear in that game because you can pretty much do everything and this is what Im saying you can do all things on this one so why not allow us to wear anything we want its not that big of a deal.

    And Im going to assume that everyone that plays this game doesnt have a drk leveled up because it was never a tank until this game and thats against the lore of the past games before it. So Im sure you would never play a job that totally changed the lore of the old ones right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bswpayton View Post
    Have you played 15 because there is nothing you cant wear in that game because you can pretty much do everything.
    15 is also irrelevant to the discussion on hand because there are no jobs in that game, much like 7 and 8.

    While I can't speak for everyone, it would absolutely bother me to see a healer wearing a full suit of heavy armor, since it's just pure nonsense aesthetically, IMHO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunda_Cat_SMASH View Post
    [...] since it's just pure nonsense aesthetically, IMHO.
    So is a warrior/fighter with long hair - it's just getting in the way, it doesn't make sense. More so in a bikini or any cloth armor. And bigger breasts don't make sense either - if anything, having one or both breasts cut off would make sense aesthetically. Fighters are practical, not pretty. Short hair, muscular stature, dirty and lots of scars. That makes sense for DoW aesthetically.

    Anyone up for that? Any takers? Going through the thread, there should be plenty. And anyone taking issue with mages in heavy armor simply has to be a taker or a hypocrite and nobody wants to be a hypocrite, right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MilesSaintboroguh View Post
    At this point, both sides have devolved into madness. As usual.
    I think it just hit an all time low using female mutilation to try and make a point Miles. Even if it is sarcasm.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zojha View Post
    And bigger breasts don't make sense either - if anything, having one or both breasts cut off would make sense aesthetically. Fighters are practical, not pretty.
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    If anyone here has a drk tank in ff 14 version and still is opposed to the original ops post, then like Zojha said you are being a hypocrite. Because according to lore standards the Drk is a dps in all the other games but this one, so you yourself would be going against your own self imposed lore standards that you made for yourself. So Im sure that nobody thats making an argument against gear aesthetics would level a job that's totally different in all of the other games before this one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ReplicaX View Post
    I think it just hit an all time low using female mutilation to try and make a point Miles. Even if it is sarcasm.
    Sorry for referring to amazon and woman-warrior mythology (with debatable historical evidence). Next time I shall politically correctly refer to biological members of the female sex with individual gender identification who engage in potentially lethal and physically exhausting activities, in which practicality is commonly valued more highly than attractiveness towards a partner of either sex and gender.

    Feelings still hurt? We can put up an outrage tent for you. I'd also refrain from calling mastectomy patients "mutilated". It's a common treatment against breast cancer and I'm sure people who underwent it have enough of a bruised ego without people like you calling them such words.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bswpayton View Post
    If anyone here has a drk tank in ff 14 version and still is opposed to the original ops post.
    That's incorrect. The only time DRK was ever actually labeled as a dps class was in 11. In pretty much every other game, DRK could function as a tank due to its higher HP, higher defense, and general overall toughness. Hell, I've used DRK as a tank several times throughout the series, while still using it's HP cost abilities to do damage. It being a high risk/high reward job has nothing to do with it not being tanky.
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