Please lift glamour restrictions!

[Zojha]

[...] since it's just pure nonsense aesthetically, IMHO.

So is a warrior/fighter with long hair - it's just getting in the way, it doesn't make sense. More so in a bikini or any cloth armor. And bigger breasts don't make sense either - if anything, having one or both breasts cut off would make sense aesthetically. Fighters are practical, not pretty. Short hair, muscular stature, dirty and lots of scars. That makes sense for DoW aesthetically.

Anyone up for that? Any takers? Going through the thread, there should be plenty. And anyone taking issue with mages in heavy armor simply has to be a taker or a hypocrite and nobody wants to be a hypocrite, right?

[ReplicaX]

At this point, both sides have devolved into madness. As usual.

I think it just hit an all time low using female mutilation to try and make a point Miles. Even if it is sarcasm.

And bigger breasts don't make sense either - if anything, having one or both breasts cut off would make sense aesthetically. Fighters are practical, not pretty.

[Zojha]

I think it just hit an all time low using female mutilation to try and make a point Miles. Even if it is sarcasm.

Sorry for referring to amazon and woman-warrior mythology (with debatable historical evidence). Next time I shall politically correctly refer to biological members of the female sex with individual gender identification who engage in potentially lethal and physically exhausting activities, in which practicality is commonly valued more highly than attractiveness towards a partner of either sex and gender.

Feelings still hurt? We can put up an outrage tent for you. I'd also refrain from calling mastectomy patients "mutilated". It's a common treatment against breast cancer and I'm sure people who underwent it have enough of a bruised ego without people like you calling them such words.

[ErryK]

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So all female characters in XIV have breast cancer? Must be from all that salt.

[Zojha]

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Whoa, FFXVI got announced already? Dear me!
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What do you mean you didn't say that?


In case you haven't noticed: I'm trolling you. And I'm trolling you because people keep dodging the consequences of their arguments.

If you want jobs, classes etc to have a visual identity and whatnot, you have to advocate not just for it to be kept with future additions, but you also have to advocate that everything that currently violates that identity be removed. Every swimsuit, every cloth armor, every haircut, every costume and that includes the veteran rewards - they all need to be removed as options for those jobs where they do not fit into the identity.
That is the consequence of the identity argument.
People keep avoiding that and uphold a double standard that it's okay for some violations like Bikini/leather/robe tanks to exist but others like full metal mages not. They keep using that argument and then turn around on it. That is what I'm criticizing. I don't care which side a person is on. If someone is dead set on insisting every mage has to wear a burqa - that's their opinion. If they have that opinion however, they should be consequent about it and not go around and say:"Doesn't go for hot miqo'te chicks."

[ErryK]

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If a character glamours a swimsuit on anything, then that's fine.

If a character glamours a White Mage outfit on their Paladin, then that's not fine.

Why? Because that's my opinion.

Did I insinuate anything in your post? No. Because that's not what I said.

Also, if you actually put ANY effort into reading my posts, such as this one, you would see over 10+ armor sets being available to casters. You don't need to reinvent the wheel to achieve different glamours.

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

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I'm sorry you feel that locking gear to jobs so that it continues to fit with the aesthetics of the job/role is distasteful to you, but personally, I love the glamour system precisely because it's structured. If you want an unstructured mmo with classes that have no visual identity and can wear everything under the sun, then I respect that choice because that's your opinion.

But, don't mess with my structured jobs and glamour, because that's one identity favorite parts when it comes to this mmo. This is, naturally, just my opinion.

[bswpayton]

I'm sorry you feel that locking gear to jobs so .

But you are acting like you still wouldn't have your structure for your character ,thats what is trippin me about everyone's comeback is I dont want it for myself. What we are arguing is not against your argument you in fact can still have your identity as u see fit.

But does my character have to share that identity no it does not, thats where you guys have it wrong. I and others made our characters for us, so we can dress them the way we want to the same way you can dress yours the way you want to. You wouldn't lose any structure for your own personal choice in glamour. The only thing that would change is everyone else would have more options and thats what you are arguing against is you are worried about what other peoples characters would be wearing. Im just not about that I dont care what another player is wearing , they are welcome to wear any crazy get up that their hearts desires.

Im not gona tell people that they are wrong for a certain glamour choice just because I personally dont like it. I bet those other games didnt have the silly gear options that we have in this one either , that is what makes this one different. You guys are just being selfish and want to place your lore beliefs on everyone else in the game.

[Miste]

If you want jobs, classes etc to have a visual identity and whatnot, you have to advocate not just for it to be kept with future additions, but you also have to advocate that everything that currently violates that identity be removed. Every swimsuit, every cloth armor, every haircut, every costume and that includes the veteran rewards - they all need to be removed as options for those jobs where they do not fit into the identity.
That is the consequence of the identity argument.
People keep avoiding that and uphold a double standard that it's okay for some violations like Bikini/leather/robe tanks to exist but others like full metal mages not. They keep using that argument and then turn around on it. That is what I'm criticizing. I don't care which side a person is on. If someone is dead set on insisting every mage has to wear a burqa - that's their opinion. If they have that opinion however, they should be consequent about it and not go around and say:"Doesn't go for hot miqo'te chicks."

I hope you are trolling....because this is a ridiculous "it has to be all or nothing" argument. Stuff doesn't work that way, nor would sensible people want it to work that way and it is selfish. Compromise seems to be a word people lack the definition of...since that's what SE has to do a lot with glamours. Compromise to please a lot of different kinds of people all at once.

Have specific to FF series iconic lore gear to please long time fans.
Have new unique stuff to appeal to people who like to have new things unique to FFXIV instead of only recycled stuff from previous games.
Have many different kinds of gear for each job to wear and keep building on it to satisfy people who want a lot of variety of styles.
Have some fluff/silly/pretty glamour to appeal to people with less serious mindsets and people who like more stylish/modern clothes.

There are already a lot of options to be creative already not everything has to be given to every job. It's not that the jobs have to always look like the lore identifies them it is more that IF someone is wearing or glamouring their job specific gear then they can easily be recognized as that iconic job.

Job specific gear is already only very few sets of gear out of the whole picture (only like 5-10% of the gear in the game is locked to one job), but some people are so uncompromising they want it ALL because they want to ignore that other people play this game too and care about the fact we should keep some lore intact. I dislike bikini tanks and that pig costume and many other sets of gear in the game, but I am not selfish enough to ask them be removed just because I don't like them, since there are plenty of other options I like that I can use for my characters.

Yeah we can't always follow lore because the game would be too restrictive and not appeal to enough different kinds of people, but when the lore gear is already the minority and you want to take it away...nah...it is a valid reason to not do it.

[bswpayton]

I hope you are trolling....because this is a ridiculous "it has to be all or nothing" argument. Stuff doesn't work that way, nor would sensible people want

This logic is so flawed how on earth someone is selfish for wanting to allow people to paste over gear is insane. Unless you know if they remove the restriction all of a sudden they will just stop making job specific gear, unless you no this for a fact then you couldn't use this as an argument.

Ive always known it to be if someone else wants to hold someone back from something then they are the selfish one. If for instance you have a whm robe on , and you then see a scholar wearing the same robe for your character did that change your characters identity no it wouldnt, because you are playing your character dont worry about what the next person is wearing. How can someone get that upset about what another player is doing with their on character , I dont believe in forcing my will on someone else.

Nobody here called for the removal of job specific gear, people are just asking to be able to glam it as they please this is two different things and everyone here knows this. But once again because you dont agree with the idea then its wrong , and that is what I call selfish. Lifting the restriction if they still made the gear pieces for each job would effect no one in the game , It would just upset those whom want things their way only.