@Naoki Yoshida-> Make Samurai a DPS class!!!

[Galaktica]

Tanking is boring. #FACT

Not that I disagree, but the solution isn't to ignore the problem. By giving people more options for how to tank and making the role more fun in general (whether it be through combat mechanics, job overhauls, or whatever), more people will naturally want to tank.

Unless hell freezes over, healers and especially tanks will always be the least played roles no matter what the developers do, but the problem will only get worse if they were to ignore it. Adding two dps jobs and nothing else seems like a good way to make things worse because now you'll have career tanks and healers leveling those jobs and not tanking or healing.

[Empress]

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Honestly the blame falls onto Square if they don't take the time to make sure they rework tank to become more appealing otherwise it wont matter because everyones just gonna abandon ship from tanks into new dps. Already happened with Ninja will happen again. Also the fact that Tank ques are so bad now when queing up as another class should be evidence enough that Evangela is right about Tanks. It is boring. - Coming from a lvl60 DRK that used to main it.

[Anzaman]

Already happened with Ninja, will happen again.

Only for temporarily tho. Like we had a lot Dark Knights running around with 3.0 release, but most of them abandoned it once they reached max level.

[Empress]

Only for temporarily tho. Like we had a lot Dark Knights running around with 3.0 release, but most of them abandoned it once they reached max level.

Your talking about a tank class which again wouldnt last long to begin with. Tanks themselves dont have much of a hold onto casual players when just you are trying to tank in a raid. End Game is very stressful and not many wanna play stress inducing classes. Hell you cant even use Limit break which honestly should also get reworked so that way we can do damage with them as well not just per what classes do.

[Galaktica]

Honestly the blame falls onto Square if they don't take the time to make sure they rework tank to become more appealing otherwise it wont matter because everyones just gonna abandon ship from tanks into new dps.

Again, I'm agreeing with that. My point was that she said "tanking is boring" which, judging from her post history, I assume was supposed to mean "therefore Samurai should be a dps" and I don't think that's good reasoning at all.

Yes, Square Enix should absolutely try to make tanking more exciting. Giving them more options, akin to the multitude present for dps, is one way to help alleviate possible boredom with the role. Hopefully, Square Enix would opt to do more along with just adding another job.

Simply saying "well this role sucks so they shouldn't get the new job" is both incredibly selfish and short-sighted. Congrats, you get a new job, but you and everyone else also get queue times that are exponentially longer for the foreseeable future.

If anything, people should be praying for both a new tank job and that Square finds a way to make tanking more appealing if at all possible.

[Empress]

Sorry I need to shorten this but I agree as well

I can understand your side on it because its just gonna clog ques, but i think Square is thinking: Oh let them eat Cake. *Aka use the POTD system* or they might possibly make another class that will tank that WON'T be Samurai because I really really dont want Sam to be tank because having yet another Sword tank would be very discouraging for people who want to play swords in a dps state.

[Galaktica]

I keep seeing the reoccurring theme of "longer queues" "Sam has to be a tank" which is what I'm struggling with, like how will it severely impact getting through the new MSQ, only casuals and new players will have to DF all the MSQ, most of the permanent player base have friends and fcs they can run with and therefore won't queue solo and solo dps are use to the queues anyway.

Personally I want Sam to be a dps if implemented but that's just personal preference. One thing I know for sure is that if I have to queue solo I'd rather have a slightly longer wait than get stuck with a bad tank because Sam was made a tank and they wanted to play Sam regardless, yeah queues won't be longer but how many of those duties will end up being vote abandoned?

A lot of people use the DF though. There's certainly enough to complain about it that we're all aware it's an issue. If too many people, who main tanks, wanna try out the new dps jobs, the dps queue just gets longer for every dps. Think about it like this: let's say there are 10 tanks, 10 healers, and 20 dps. And let's say they are 2 new dps jobs that a lot of people want to try out. Now, let's say 5 of those tanks and 5 of those healers want to level the new dps jobs for fun. Suddenly, we now have 5 tanks, 5, healers, and 30 dps now meaning we need more tanks and healers.

The thing is is that's probably a terrible example because the DF already severely lacks tanks seeing as how they're almost always the role you see listed for adventurer in need. If they add a new tank job, at least the role distribution won't be as lopsided.

Also, you do raise a very good point about people learning the job and that possibly causing some issues in instances. However, that can be said of any new job if we're being honest. For example, I remember dreading seeing MCHs in the party when HW first dropped because so many people didn't fully understand how to play them meaning instances took forever.

I can understand your side on it because its just gonna clog ques, but i think Square is thinking: Oh let them eat Cake. *Aka use the POTD system* or they might possibly make another class that will tank that WON'T be Samurai because I really really dont want Sam to be tank because having yet another Sword tank would be very discouraging for people who want to play swords in a dps state.

To be honest, I don't have my heart set on Samurai specifically being a tank. If they saved it for a later expansion and gave us a different job for tank this time around, that would be perfectly fine with me. I was just coming at it from the angle of "Well, they already added a dps. Assuming Samurai is going to be the other new job added, then I think it should be a tank."

[Katana190]

If anything, people should be praying for both a new tank job and that Square finds a way to make tanking more appealing if at all possible.

This person gets it!

Lets say SAM is made into a dps job. Are there any jobs left in the series that could fill the tank role?

Shogun?
No but seriously, I really love the idea of SAM tank being called Shogun, and FF14 have a little track record of changing names of jobs + the name has been thrown around quite a bit now.
There are a few though, but I can't think of many... Mystic Knight is the best one that comes to mind
There are also original jobs they could tap into, personally would love to see Crusader... uses a Hammer and Holy magic but offensively to make a high DPS tank, IDK.