@Naoki Yoshida-> Make Samurai a DPS class!!!

[HiroKirito]

I keep seeing the reoccurring theme of "longer queues" "Sam has to be a tank" which is what I'm struggling with, like how will it severely impact getting through the new MSQ, only casuals and new players will have to DF all the MSQ, most of the permanent player base have friends and fcs they can run with and therefore won't queue solo and solo dps are use to the queues anyway.

Personally I want Sam to be a dps if implemented but that's just personal preference. One thing I know for sure is that if I have to queue solo I'd rather have a slightly longer wait than get stuck with a bad tank because Sam was made a tank and they wanted to play Sam regardless, yeah queues won't be longer but how many of those duties will end up being vote abandoned?

[Empress]

Sorry I need to shorten this but I agree as well

I can understand your side on it because its just gonna clog ques, but i think Square is thinking: Oh let them eat Cake. *Aka use the POTD system* or they might possibly make another class that will tank that WON'T be Samurai because I really really dont want Sam to be tank because having yet another Sword tank would be very discouraging for people who want to play swords in a dps state.

[Katana190]

If anything, people should be praying for both a new tank job and that Square finds a way to make tanking more appealing if at all possible.

This person gets it!

Lets say SAM is made into a dps job. Are there any jobs left in the series that could fill the tank role?

Shogun?
No but seriously, I really love the idea of SAM tank being called Shogun, and FF14 have a little track record of changing names of jobs + the name has been thrown around quite a bit now.
There are a few though, but I can't think of many... Mystic Knight is the best one that comes to mind
There are also original jobs they could tap into, personally would love to see Crusader... uses a Hammer and Holy magic but offensively to make a high DPS tank, IDK.

[AlphaFox]

Suppose with the "Return to Ivalice" perhaps the idea of a Judge job (more so I think of the Dual bladed sword) as the role of a Tank ? Only idea that comes to mind for me though, seeing as we are going there or their is SOME kind of connection, the idea of Vieras, Bangas and any class from Tactics or FF12 is possible eh?

[shao32]

the only job i love to see more that SAM in tank role is the judge, but that job never was playable, meaby bash in revenant wings but was kinda meh.

[Galaktica]

I keep seeing the reoccurring theme of "longer queues" "Sam has to be a tank" which is what I'm struggling with, like how will it severely impact getting through the new MSQ, only casuals and new players will have to DF all the MSQ, most of the permanent player base have friends and fcs they can run with and therefore won't queue solo and solo dps are use to the queues anyway.

Personally I want Sam to be a dps if implemented but that's just personal preference. One thing I know for sure is that if I have to queue solo I'd rather have a slightly longer wait than get stuck with a bad tank because Sam was made a tank and they wanted to play Sam regardless, yeah queues won't be longer but how many of those duties will end up being vote abandoned?

A lot of people use the DF though. There's certainly enough to complain about it that we're all aware it's an issue. If too many people, who main tanks, wanna try out the new dps jobs, the dps queue just gets longer for every dps. Think about it like this: let's say there are 10 tanks, 10 healers, and 20 dps. And let's say they are 2 new dps jobs that a lot of people want to try out. Now, let's say 5 of those tanks and 5 of those healers want to level the new dps jobs for fun. Suddenly, we now have 5 tanks, 5, healers, and 30 dps now meaning we need more tanks and healers.

The thing is is that's probably a terrible example because the DF already severely lacks tanks seeing as how they're almost always the role you see listed for adventurer in need. If they add a new tank job, at least the role distribution won't be as lopsided.

Also, you do raise a very good point about people learning the job and that possibly causing some issues in instances. However, that can be said of any new job if we're being honest. For example, I remember dreading seeing MCHs in the party when HW first dropped because so many people didn't fully understand how to play them meaning instances took forever.

I can understand your side on it because its just gonna clog ques, but i think Square is thinking: Oh let them eat Cake. *Aka use the POTD system* or they might possibly make another class that will tank that WON'T be Samurai because I really really dont want Sam to be tank because having yet another Sword tank would be very discouraging for people who want to play swords in a dps state.

To be honest, I don't have my heart set on Samurai specifically being a tank. If they saved it for a later expansion and gave us a different job for tank this time around, that would be perfectly fine with me. I was just coming at it from the angle of "Well, they already added a dps. Assuming Samurai is going to be the other new job added, then I think it should be a tank."

[HiroKirito]

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I mean I can understand how it will impact queues, I'm just highlighting that if that's people's fall back for why it should be a tank then it's kinda flawed, I didn't propose a reason why it should be a dps it's just my personal preference, mainly because I main a dps and red mage doesn't interest me, that's in no way a justification for why it should be a dps xD I just feel all the "has to be tank" or "has to be dps" arguments are a bit of a joke, we all want something and we won't all get it, will it break the game, certainly not.

The other assumption people make is because HW had one of each class SB should, but none are necessary, they could add 0 jobs or 3 healers, it won't prevent content from getting done.

Idk I feel like especially people are throwing a bit of a tantrum at these threads, I've seen a few "If Sams not a tank, I won't be a tank main anymore" like ok o// bye bye. Any new jobs are a bonus not a requirement, to actually do content, we already have all the utility we need.

Btw sorry if I sound like I'm picking on tank mains, I do really love you guys, just I feel like that's where I've seen the most ridiculous statements and it grates on me. My favourite so far was in another thread and I'm paraphrasing but it was basically tanks are gods, you'd be nothing without us, we deserve Sam as a reward..... I mean to my knowledge the only content that hasn't been cleared without tanks are 11s & 12s....Yet! XD

[caelumsixsmith]

So wait, isn't DNC DPS? And RDM is also DPS. So if SAM would also be DPS, that would make queues hell on Eorzea. We already have way too many DPS classes and finding a queue can sometimes take a lot of time bc of that. Now imagine if the new expansion brings not one, not two, but THREE DPS jobs. I get how DPS is important, after all, the combat revolves around it, but do we really need MORE DPS classes?

And I get that this is for fun, I suppose, but isn't SAM historically a tank? I mean, in the history of Final Fantasy anyway. I personally can't see such a bulky job as DPS.

[Iromi]

Lot of the things being said in this thread remind me of the justification of being on Gilgamesh and Balmung then complaining about lack of housing. Oh gee, you're on the most populated server, of course housing which is already limited, is going to be worse there! Same thing with playing DPS.

You want to play DPS? Fine, no problem...but don't expect to get into content instantly unless you actually make friends. There are so many more DPS than tanks because tank is the "leader" and often put on the spot, people don't like that and/or perhaps people just don't enjoy holding aggro, etc. Which is fine. But don't act entitled like you should have very little wait time.

If you do not like the wait time (I don't complain waiting on my SMN, when I que by myself) then make friends. This is a MMORPG. I have tons of friends and plenty of them will happily hop on tank. Even the ones that don't like it because they know when they are playing with friends we are patient and don't mind mistakes annnd aren't judgemental etc.

So anyway, I don't get the idea behind making a tank per expansion cuz que times, only because that is just a band aid solution. If you ask me we already have enough types of tanks, we have sword and shield, the berserker type and drk which is magical type tanking.

I think they should instead fix the healers and tanks we have now instead of releasing more. Perhaps if tank was more rewarding, enjoyable or fun people would play it more. I know tons of tanks who adore PLD but aren't too keen on playing right now due to how many issues it has...

How did FFXI survive with two tanks for nearly its entire life span? I realize it is a very different game but it made tanking fun and everyone had equal responsibility BLM missing your stun? Lol gl with that, not refreshing as a rdm? Or dispeling, you'll get called out. A thf not doing trick attack? See..its like in XIV dps don't have responsibility like that so people pick that over tank. Fix that and you'll fix the que times.

It seems like in XIV, you can almost ALWAYS see when a healer messes up or tank, but dps? You can not really see when and how they mess up...maybe change that and you'll see things get more balanced...

As for Samurai being a tank or dps, I don't really intend to play the job ever but seeing as how we already have a 2H sword tank, another would feel redundant.

[FeliAiko]

I like this "we have enough tanks" argument that crops up, as if 3 melee DPS isn't enough either by this logic. No, adding a 4th positional-based DPS would certainly make for a vastly different playstyle against NIN, MNK and DRG...

If people want SAM as a DPS (even though it's unlikely; the job was close to being HW's tank over DRK, losing out due to not being compatible with the expansion setting) that's one thing, but trying to argue that 3 tanks is enough yet a 4th melee wouldn't be overkill is silly.