Can we get rid of prisms please?

[Lexia]

Already here, switch to DoH
What is the next you guys want to be "easier and convenient"? Repairing gear in dungeon without a leveled DoH class in the character's class list?

I have actually seen posts in a thread of people wanting that.

[Kaurie]

Glamour prism prices generally don't fluctuate all that much, unlike the gem prices, which are affected by the commonly occurring additions to the gem store. Which is why I said a few 1000 gil, not just a 1000 gil. Current prices on Balmung are between 1899-3900 gil (with the important ones, WVR/LTW/GSM ones being on the lower end)

I missed the word few, my bad.

I can't really take you serious on goldmaking in GW2, considering you haven't played it in years (almost two at least, since you didn't know about the transmutation change). Yes, transmutation stones and crystals were handed out a lot before April 2014, but that doesn't apply to current GW2. The content I listed in my previous post is the only way you'll be able to get transmutation charges, and it's a pretty slow way to get them.

Yeah, I haven't played that game to any serious extent since I started in FFXIV (fall of 2013). I've briefly logged on once in awhile, but that is it. Gold, last time I played, was pretty easy to get, I'd assume with inflation that it would be even easier now.

20 minutes to obtain 1 transmutation charge vs. 1 minute of teleporting to a marketboard to buy a prism at a really, really low price. Sure sounds like the former is much better! (/sarcasm)
And yes, the ability to unlock armor and weapon skins is nice, but it doesn't make the transmutation charge system any better.

You are making the assumption that you are doing all of those tasks to obtain the charge, as opposed to just having a plethoria in your inventory for having already done those things. You can still obtain a charge quite quickly via in-game gold, like you can here. The difference between there and here is there are multiple ways to get it there.

Considering I've mentioned parts of the GW2 and WoW systems, while acknowledging to only having played Wildstar for a short time (but enough to experience the glamour system), I'm going to assume that you forgot/skimmed over that post and simply went on to type another post about how terrible prisms are.

I must have missed it, or forgot it. Sorry. I have a hard time understanding how one can think the system in FFXIV is satisfactory after having experienced the systems in those games. I think I got confused, because you keep talking about Guild Wars 2, when I've repeatedly suggested they take the systems from WoW and Wildstar (and not GW2).

For the player, but is it as simple on the devs too? Changing a glamour system like this in a complete way isn't going to be easy, unless it's something that's developed that way right from the start. An extensive glamour system like that probably wasn't all that high on their priority list back when they added it, since most of their resources were also going into developing actual content. As a sidenote, the current dyeing system is in a similar situation, possibly due to it being a relic from the 1.0 version (which I haven't played). Again, their priority on that likely wasn't all that high, since they were busy turning the actual game from a trainwreck into a successful game.

Honestly, I don't really care if something is difficult for the devs. That doesn't come into consideration when comparing what their competitors offer. Obviously, the easiest thing for the devs to do is to not develop any future content, but proposing that would be ridiculous. I think we can all assume that they will need to put in work, in order to provide a competitive product.

[xLucia]

I,m hoping everyone can agree with me on this one, so se has given us only one prism now for each crafting class. And at least on my server they arent worth very much anymore. I'm hoping that maybe they will eventually get rid of this system to making glaming easy. I hope that they do ,why make this so complicated, Ive used potd just to skip this process in some cases cause I level fast if that's what I'm intending to do and I don't wana have to glam my clothes every two to three levels. Looks like with cutting out the other four prisms they seem to be on pace to get rid of this system I hope. What do you guys think are does anyone actually even like prisms and like the current system? My first time reaching cap on forums ha, didnt know that was gona happen, but I see the player base is pretty divided on this topic ha

Nope.. They are my source of moneymaking. If they go im screwed :P

[bswpayton]

Nope.. They are my source of moneymaking. If they go im screwed :P

prism cant be that great of a gil maker , esp now with the one grade ones

[Arrius]

prism cant be that great of a gil maker , esp now with the one grade ones

On content patch releases, they rise in demand due to the new items you can get. Naturally, it boosts the price of those prisms, having seen them remain on 7-11k for a while when 3.45 came out.

[Nezerius]

You are making the assumption that you are doing all of those tasks to obtain the charge, as opposed to just having a plethoria in your inventory for having already done those things. You can still obtain a charge quite quickly via in-game gold, like you can here. The difference between there and here is there are multiple ways to get it there.

That logic can be applied to XIV as well, and you wouldn't even have to have all types of prisms in your inventory, since the most often used ones are LTW and WVR.

I have a hard time understanding how one can think the system in FFXIV is satisfactory after having experienced the systems in those games.

And I have a hard time understanding why it's such an apparent huge inconvenience to just teleport to Limsa, take two steps, and buy a cheap prism off the marketboard to change your glamour. Do you get that bothered if you get a new piece of gear and you can't change its appearance right on the spot?

I think I got confused, because you keep talking about Guild Wars 2, when I've repeatedly suggested they take the systems from WoW and Wildstar (and not GW2).

Since there was a comparison between prisms and transmutation charges, why would I mention WoW/Wildstar in such a comparison?
Besides, the whole weapon/armor skin unlocking is in WoW now, so that part is essentially the same as GW2, making it redundant to mention both of them.

I think we can all assume that they will need to put in work, in order to provide a competitive product.

Which can be done in a form of a glamour log, but I can't see the glamour prisms going anywhere.

I think we'll have to agree to disagree with the prism system, since this is just turning into a pointless back and forth. You obviously hate it (and possibly everything related to the current crafting system), and I'm completely fine with it (especially after the reduced amount of prism grades).

[Kaitoo]

I having a good time at the moment reading the comptetivnes of a mmorpg is about glamour lol

[Nezerius]

I having a good time at the moment reading the comptetivnes of a mmorpg is about glamour lol

It's why Wildstar has such a large playerbase, amirite?!

[Kaurie]

That logic can be applied to XIV as well, and you wouldn't even have to have all types of prisms in your inventory, since the most often used ones are LTW and WVR.

I carry around cloth, alchemy, leatherworking primarily, and I also carry around ~12 armor pieces for glamouring

And I have a hard time understanding why it's such an apparent huge inconvenience to just teleport to Limsa, take two steps, and buy a cheap prism off the marketboard to change your glamour. Do you get that bothered if you get a new piece of gear and you can't change its appearance right on the spot?

No, I have a problem that I have to glamour over a piece of new gear in the first place. I also take issue with the unnecessary usage of inventory space.

Since there was a comparison between prisms and transmutation charges, why would I mention WoW/Wildstar in such a comparison?
Besides, the whole weapon/armor skin unlocking is in WoW now, so that part is essentially the same as GW2, making it redundant to mention both of them.

There was more than just the 1 comparison. The initial post that you replied to have a direct comparison to all the systems of WoW, Wildstar and GW2. You then latched onto GW2.

Which can be done in a form of a glamour log, but I can't see the glamour prisms going anywhere.

A glamour log would be great. That is much more needed than the removal of prisms. Having prisms is simply an unnecessary nuisance that adds little value to the game.

I think we'll have to agree to disagree with the prism system, since this is just turning into a pointless back and forth. You obviously hate it (and possibly everything related to the current crafting system), and I'm completely fine with it (especially after the reduced amount of prism grades).

That is a fair summary of our discussion. Obviously, this is all related to ones opinions and we've both clearly stated our own. You're accurate to assume that I do hate everything related to the current crafting system. I've literally never disliked something in a video game more.

I having a good time at the moment reading the comptetivnes of a mmorpg is about glamour lol

A rather simplistic assumption. Obviously, there is more to the competitiveness of an MMORPG - ranging from graphics, combat, price, community etc. Glamour is definitely one aspect that may affect someones overall opinion of the game.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

I carry around cloth, alchemy, leatherworking primarily, and I also carry around ~12 armor pieces for glamouring

Do you change gear that often that you need them on hand? I just keep everything on a retainer and grab them when needed. Its not that much of a problem lol