Can we get rid of prisms please?

[Nezerius]

They are both dependent on in-game exchanges, whether that is fluctuating market board pricing or fluctuating gem stone pricing. In FFXIV, I've never seen a glamour prism for 1000, but it's most likely server market board dependent.

Glamour prism prices generally don't fluctuate all that much, unlike the gem prices, which are affected by the commonly occurring additions to the gem store. Which is why I said a few 1000 gil, not just a 1000 gil. Current prices on Balmung are between 1899-3900 gil (with the important ones, WVR/LTW/GSM ones being on the lower end)

In GW2, it's very easy and quick to get gold AND they are given out as a reward for a lot of other content (and if you so choose, you can spend real life money on them). As I said, I had well over 100 of these, without ever having bought any (and had used them reasonably frequently) over my ~1000 hours of playtime in that game before quitting.

I can't really take you serious on goldmaking in GW2, considering you haven't played it in years (almost two at least, since you didn't know about the transmutation change). Yes, transmutation stones and crystals were handed out a lot before April 2014, but that doesn't apply to current GW2. The content I listed in my previous post is the only way you'll be able to get transmutation charges, and it's a pretty slow way to get them.

It's related to the system of their glamour system, which is the topic. Specifically due to prisms? No. This topic has had quite a lot of discussion about changing armor appearances outside of the glamour prism system.

The main topic is still about whether the prisms should be removed or not. A dyeing system isn't tied directly to the glamour/transmutation system, but it does compliment it, since it allows you to change the colors of the armor that you just glamoured/transmutated.

Even if you disregard the dying aspect, GW2's system is still better due to having only 1 type of charge vs all of the different types we have, and the ability for you to unlock these in an outfit window and apply them at any time, without having to track down that armor piece again (or take up unnecessary inventory space).

20 minutes to obtain 1 transmutation charge vs. 1 minute of teleporting to a marketboard to buy a prism at a really, really low price. Sure sounds like the former is much better! (/sarcasm)
And yes, the ability to unlock armor and weapon skins is nice, but it doesn't make the transmutation charge system any better.

Quite obviously it is my opinion. It is quite terrible though; it's cumbersome, it takes up your inventory, it's limiting on what you can change for the appearance and it's consumable. Have you experienced (m)any other systems, like WoW new one or Wildstar's?

Considering I've mentioned parts of the GW2 and WoW systems, while acknowledging to only having played Wildstar for a short time (but enough to experience the glamour system), I'm going to assume that you forgot/skimmed over that post and simply went on to type another post about how terrible prisms are.

The system is cheap, convenient, fast and simple.

For the player, but is it as simple on the devs too? Changing a glamour system like this in a complete way isn't going to be easy, unless it's something that's developed that way right from the start. An extensive glamour system like that probably wasn't all that high on their priority list back when they added it, since most of their resources were also going into developing actual content. As a sidenote, the current dyeing system is in a similar situation, possibly due to it being a relic from the 1.0 version (which I haven't played). Again, their priority on that likely wasn't all that high, since they were busy turning the actual game from a trainwreck into a successful game.

[Kaurie]

Glamour prism prices generally don't fluctuate all that much, unlike the gem prices, which are affected by the commonly occurring additions to the gem store. Which is why I said a few 1000 gil, not just a 1000 gil. Current prices on Balmung are between 1899-3900 gil (with the important ones, WVR/LTW/GSM ones being on the lower end)

I missed the word few, my bad.

I can't really take you serious on goldmaking in GW2, considering you haven't played it in years (almost two at least, since you didn't know about the transmutation change). Yes, transmutation stones and crystals were handed out a lot before April 2014, but that doesn't apply to current GW2. The content I listed in my previous post is the only way you'll be able to get transmutation charges, and it's a pretty slow way to get them.

Yeah, I haven't played that game to any serious extent since I started in FFXIV (fall of 2013). I've briefly logged on once in awhile, but that is it. Gold, last time I played, was pretty easy to get, I'd assume with inflation that it would be even easier now.

20 minutes to obtain 1 transmutation charge vs. 1 minute of teleporting to a marketboard to buy a prism at a really, really low price. Sure sounds like the former is much better! (/sarcasm)
And yes, the ability to unlock armor and weapon skins is nice, but it doesn't make the transmutation charge system any better.

You are making the assumption that you are doing all of those tasks to obtain the charge, as opposed to just having a plethoria in your inventory for having already done those things. You can still obtain a charge quite quickly via in-game gold, like you can here. The difference between there and here is there are multiple ways to get it there.

Considering I've mentioned parts of the GW2 and WoW systems, while acknowledging to only having played Wildstar for a short time (but enough to experience the glamour system), I'm going to assume that you forgot/skimmed over that post and simply went on to type another post about how terrible prisms are.

I must have missed it, or forgot it. Sorry. I have a hard time understanding how one can think the system in FFXIV is satisfactory after having experienced the systems in those games. I think I got confused, because you keep talking about Guild Wars 2, when I've repeatedly suggested they take the systems from WoW and Wildstar (and not GW2).

For the player, but is it as simple on the devs too? Changing a glamour system like this in a complete way isn't going to be easy, unless it's something that's developed that way right from the start. An extensive glamour system like that probably wasn't all that high on their priority list back when they added it, since most of their resources were also going into developing actual content. As a sidenote, the current dyeing system is in a similar situation, possibly due to it being a relic from the 1.0 version (which I haven't played). Again, their priority on that likely wasn't all that high, since they were busy turning the actual game from a trainwreck into a successful game.

Honestly, I don't really care if something is difficult for the devs. That doesn't come into consideration when comparing what their competitors offer. Obviously, the easiest thing for the devs to do is to not develop any future content, but proposing that would be ridiculous. I think we can all assume that they will need to put in work, in order to provide a competitive product.

[Nezerius]

You are making the assumption that you are doing all of those tasks to obtain the charge, as opposed to just having a plethoria in your inventory for having already done those things. You can still obtain a charge quite quickly via in-game gold, like you can here. The difference between there and here is there are multiple ways to get it there.

That logic can be applied to XIV as well, and you wouldn't even have to have all types of prisms in your inventory, since the most often used ones are LTW and WVR.

I have a hard time understanding how one can think the system in FFXIV is satisfactory after having experienced the systems in those games.

And I have a hard time understanding why it's such an apparent huge inconvenience to just teleport to Limsa, take two steps, and buy a cheap prism off the marketboard to change your glamour. Do you get that bothered if you get a new piece of gear and you can't change its appearance right on the spot?

I think I got confused, because you keep talking about Guild Wars 2, when I've repeatedly suggested they take the systems from WoW and Wildstar (and not GW2).

Since there was a comparison between prisms and transmutation charges, why would I mention WoW/Wildstar in such a comparison?
Besides, the whole weapon/armor skin unlocking is in WoW now, so that part is essentially the same as GW2, making it redundant to mention both of them.

I think we can all assume that they will need to put in work, in order to provide a competitive product.

Which can be done in a form of a glamour log, but I can't see the glamour prisms going anywhere.

I think we'll have to agree to disagree with the prism system, since this is just turning into a pointless back and forth. You obviously hate it (and possibly everything related to the current crafting system), and I'm completely fine with it (especially after the reduced amount of prism grades).

[Kaurie]

That logic can be applied to XIV as well, and you wouldn't even have to have all types of prisms in your inventory, since the most often used ones are LTW and WVR.

I carry around cloth, alchemy, leatherworking primarily, and I also carry around ~12 armor pieces for glamouring

And I have a hard time understanding why it's such an apparent huge inconvenience to just teleport to Limsa, take two steps, and buy a cheap prism off the marketboard to change your glamour. Do you get that bothered if you get a new piece of gear and you can't change its appearance right on the spot?

No, I have a problem that I have to glamour over a piece of new gear in the first place. I also take issue with the unnecessary usage of inventory space.

Since there was a comparison between prisms and transmutation charges, why would I mention WoW/Wildstar in such a comparison?
Besides, the whole weapon/armor skin unlocking is in WoW now, so that part is essentially the same as GW2, making it redundant to mention both of them.

There was more than just the 1 comparison. The initial post that you replied to have a direct comparison to all the systems of WoW, Wildstar and GW2. You then latched onto GW2.

Which can be done in a form of a glamour log, but I can't see the glamour prisms going anywhere.

A glamour log would be great. That is much more needed than the removal of prisms. Having prisms is simply an unnecessary nuisance that adds little value to the game.

I think we'll have to agree to disagree with the prism system, since this is just turning into a pointless back and forth. You obviously hate it (and possibly everything related to the current crafting system), and I'm completely fine with it (especially after the reduced amount of prism grades).

That is a fair summary of our discussion. Obviously, this is all related to ones opinions and we've both clearly stated our own. You're accurate to assume that I do hate everything related to the current crafting system. I've literally never disliked something in a video game more.

I having a good time at the moment reading the comptetivnes of a mmorpg is about glamour lol

A rather simplistic assumption. Obviously, there is more to the competitiveness of an MMORPG - ranging from graphics, combat, price, community etc. Glamour is definitely one aspect that may affect someones overall opinion of the game.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

I carry around cloth, alchemy, leatherworking primarily, and I also carry around ~12 armor pieces for glamouring

Do you change gear that often that you need them on hand? I just keep everything on a retainer and grab them when needed. Its not that much of a problem lol

[Kaurie]

Do you change gear that often that you need them on hand? I just keep everything on a retainer and grab them when needed. Its not that much of a problem lol

The rate at which I change my glamour varies time to time, but probably on average I do it weekly.

That's excluding just glamouring new items to what I was wearing before (i.e. say I have Emporer's New Gloves glamoured to my hands, and then I get the 270 drop from Alex this week for gloves - I glamour again. If we include those, then I guess 2x per week on average - where 1 is a full outfit change and 1 is just updating an item to my chosen outfit. Obviously the outfit change requires 3+ prisms)

[Naunet]

Do you change gear that often that you need them on hand? I just keep everything on a retainer and grab them when needed. Its not that much of a problem lol

Or, we could have Rift or WildStar's system and not have to carry around ANYTHING related to glamour and change outfits whenever we want...

A glamour catalog still sounds like a massive hassle, TBH. So instead of perusing a small list of maybe 2-3 tabs, I'll have to scope through every single item I've ever gotten if I feel like modifying my glamour? No thanks. I prefer the current system, which let's me keep the glamours that are relevant to me and get rid of the rest.

Nothing would stop you from only learning the appearances of the few armor pieces you want. Good grief. -_-;

And would people stop assuming you pay with these other systems?? Making an outfit in Rift or WildStar costs ZERO plat. None. Completely free.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

Or, we could have Rift or WildStar's system and not have to carry around ANYTHING related to glamour and change outfits whenever we want...

I already dont have to carry around the stuff, its on a retainer.

and it would get rather difficult to sift through all the gear we can glamour, even in a log. theres hundreds of gear pieces in the game.

edit: according to a quick search on xivdb, there are 2,853 pieces of equipable gear for dow/dom jobs.

[Kaitoo]

A rather simplistic assumption. Obviously, there is more to the competitiveness of an MMORPG - ranging from graphics, combat, price, community etc. Glamour is definitely one aspect that may affect someones overall opinion of the game.

No a rather on point assumption, and it gets more hillarous that you put anthying you mentioned even in the same sentence as glamour, like i dont even.

[Kaurie]

No a rather on point assumption, and it gets more hillarous that you put anthying you mentioned even in the same sentence as glamour, like i dont even.

Shrug, it's a feature of the game that has an influence on a persons opinion of the game. People's opinions of the game influence their purchasing decision. Thus, it has an effect on competition.