Red Mage = Yda?

[mp-please]

This debate is silly and useless at best and proves there's no hope for this community.




Compared to:



That ain't Yda. /thread

PS3 limitations, please understand.

[Reynhart]

Look at these videos please :
FF VI DS Opening
After Years PSP Opening
In both trailers, you see Yang, probably the most famous Monk of Final Fantasy performing moves very similar to the ones on Stormblood teaser.

So, I think it's Yda, she's just a mon and her tatoos are hidden under the big necklace

This debate is silly and useless at best and proves there's no hope for this community.

Compared to:

That ain't Yda. /thread

She just did a Minfilia on us

[silentwindfr]

well we can argue that summoner don't play like this in solo game, we know that they can adapt the gameplay of a class for make it fit in FF14.
but all her way to move is too much different of the monk we know, they way is like fire and water. actually is more earth and water. rough and powerfull strike for the monk and smooth and fluid move for the red lady. i doubt they will work on a skill that will change all the move of the monk. it will recquire way too much work for this.

another point, like said in the video, we have the actual monk, with some new kick and punch and the red lady that move and even dance at the start of the teaser. her movement are dance, not kata nor charge up. people hoping that the rework of the skill (that was explained) will change the move set of the monk ,what is not possible. simply because of the time and manpower they have. don't forget that you have possibly 13+2-3 jobs to work on for the expansion, that way too much for pours soo much energy into a jobs that soo far is fine and work perfectly.

outside a few skill that have little to no use for the monk. yeah haymaker i look at you! we don't need a major overhaul that changing the moveset represent. actually monk is quite good right now. name me what you can add to the job for make it better?
outside chi blast and maybe some new move for offer more variety in the combo... we have no real need to have a huge work on the job.

anyway, my point is we have 2 person sparing together using 2 different fighting style... i don't see them add another school to the monk and offer a whole new moveset only for the monk... or they need to do as much for every jobs of the game. and they clearly don't have the manpower for this.

then we are left with the only option of another jobs. and when you look at her clothing, her way to move and such, you see someone dancing. yes we can argue that dancer in old game don't play like this. but no one have think that maybe the dancer will be like the bard, but in version melee? a buffing jobs in melee that will fight by kicking and maybe use clothing weapon.

in any case, i am the only one that did notice the glove of the monk (man)? it look like battle glove, can we expect more battleglove and less...wtf weapon that make no sense and that most people glamour (emperor fist i love you!)

ps: about the rework of the battlesystem most of it will be change of the shared skill and reassesement of the under used and not used skill. don't expect much.

[KaiserDrill]

Not saying this is what happened, but its not entirely impossible. Remember that those of us playing 1.0 were lept forward a few years in time by louisoix when dalamud fell. Again, not saying he knew yda and papylmo or did that, but it's worth mentioning that time travel (alexander also) is possible in the lore.

[Yellow]

The trailer showed two monks and someone who looks a lot like Yda (either it is her, or it's a relative imo).

If it's a RDM then I'll be pretty disappointed (I'm very certain it's not a RDM though), since there's hardly anything about her that resembles what a Red Mage is. Dancer is even more likely, despite the fact they are both portrayed as Monks in combat. I'd accept Dancer, but I'm not going to say it's confirmed or hinted until there's more evidence.

[KerenRhys]

but all her way to move is too much different of the monk we know, they way is like fire and water. actually is more earth and water. rough and powerfull strike for the monk and smooth and fluid move for the red lady. i doubt they will work on a skill that will change all the move of the monk. it will recquire way too much work for this.

If that woman was a dancer, it would make no sense to have her use Shoudertackle, featherfoot and fists of wind moves. And there are multiples times in the teaser where both use the same move (like the high kick lock they have).

[silentwindfr]

she never do shoulder tackles if you look carefully, plus feather foot was shown as one of the skill that will be changed/replaced for the monk with stormblood and i will not even be surprise that fist of the wind (that are not that often used) to be take out or changed

the teaser by itself don't say a lot, but with the info given to the keynote we can understand that this red lady is not a monk. what she is can be debated but we will have the answer sooner or later.

anyway, we can only look at the fact that the two character have totally different fighting style and like said before! SE don't have the man power for change the style of moveset based on the sex, nor make the monk (that one of the jobs that are the less needing stuff) get a skill that will make the whole monk move change. you have 13+2-3 jobs to work on, it's way too heavy for only one jobs.

finally we only do get 10 new level at best 5 new skill/trait not enough for explain soo many change.

by itself the teaser don't give anything, even if everything scream kung fu and dance more than the actual monk we have that is more a karate fighter. but with what have said yoshida is possible to take a guess.

[Berethos]

Last time I checked all the FF games I've played that had a Dancer in them, they used dances, magic, daggers/short swords or even staves, not powerful punches or kicks, let alone being able to use Chakra.
She is clearly a monk, with the very, very slight possibility of being a Dancer.

Last time I checked, in this FF game the Monk doesn't use more flowing moves and definitely doesn't attack with a weighted ribbon/cloth that is part of their outfit (which she clearly does several times).

She could still be a Monk and the fighting was done that way for stylistic reasons, but I think the chance of her being a Dancer instead is significantly higher than "very, very slight."

[KerenRhys]

she never do shoulder tackles if you look carefully, plus feather foot was shown as one of the skill that will be changed/replaced for the monk with stormblood and i will not even be surprise that fist of the wind (that are not that often used) to be take out or changed

That still doesn't justify to show a "new job" using Monk moves. If that was a new job, they would only use moves of that job. Doing otherwise would be stupid.

the teaser by itself don't say a lot, but with the info given to the keynote we can understand that this red lady is not a monk.

No we don't, even less so when there are reports coming from the fan fest that officials have confirmed that it was a 2 monks fight. You can belive that the reports are lies or mistakes, but without being there to deny them, it only gives credency to the red woman is monk opinion.

[silentwindfr]

actually it will make a lot of sense, you will have the monk, based on a lot of fist attack and more earth/fire stance. the dancer itself can be more fluid have wind and water stance explaining the opposition.

That still doesn't justify to show a "new job" using Monk moves. If that was a new job, they would only use moves of that job. Doing otherwise would be stupid.

No we don't, even less so when there are reports coming from the fan fest that officials have confirmed that it was a 2 monks fight. You can belive that the reports are lies or mistakes, but without being there to deny them, it only gives credency to the red woman is monk opinion.

and it don't justify to have a monk with a totally different fighting style! that the whole point, her whole fighting style is the antithese of the monk style! monk is rough and power, when she is fluid and agile. we know that they will never do a different moveset based on sex.... then like said it don't leave a lot of choice

plus and that the most important, they don't want to spoil them announcement.... then they can say whatever they want. when i have see the girl in red and i'm not only one in this case, it didn't scream monk..... it did scream i'm dancing!