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  1. #41
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    Evangela's Avatar
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    Evangela Monterossa
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    Quote Originally Posted by Watachy View Post
    Thanks OP laughted way too much when i saw "ninja just needs 5 secs" LMAO

    Guys, do use a ready check then a countdown, please, even healers would enjoy it like your whole party.

    Be a nice guy, not an idiot that wanna save 5 sec for his opener and ruined the others
    Can you or any expert ninja tell me the reason why ninjas need 20+ seconds before the pull?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jandor View Post
    See, and while we're waiting for your CDs to come up the other guy is moaning about his buffs dropping .
    I can understand if there is a monk in the party or if someone is in a hurry for whatever reason like daily/weekly resets. As I said, I like it when people use it but if not then I just move on and do my thing.
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  3. #43
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    Quote Originally Posted by Evangela View Post
    Can you or any expert ninja tell me the reason why ninjas need 20+ seconds before the pull?
    Depends on the content, in 4 mans they really don't as the dungeon bosses can be killed by sarcastic eye rolls and mean comments.
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  4. #44
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    Koda Ko
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    Quote Originally Posted by Evangela View Post
    Can you or any expert ninja tell me the reason why ninjas need 20+ seconds before the pull?
    Basically refresh your huton to maximise it while your party wait for CD/prepare their openers.
    Rapid/ninja pulls are just horribles for a large majority of dps/healers.

    Like a bard needs 8secs to prepare his whole opener, at least the only to launch a 5s countdown is when you've a ready check a few seconds sooner.

    But your point looks like "Doest need to wait/know if my party is ready. Punch it."
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  5. #45
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    Scarlett Dzian
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frowny View Post
    I like a ready check and then a countdown. My problem is when the countdown is at 2-3s and they pull. Like... why bother?
    My peeve with the countdown is when the tank sets one. So I cast my thunder / bio2 /whatever at like 2 so it hits dead on zero and it takes the tank another 3+ seconds to hit the boss... then they complain cos I or someone else has hate.

    Ready checks. Time and a place for them. As a ninja I'll usually pop armor crush at the end of the last fight or pull so I have good duration on huton to start the next one. So when a group then stops to ready check it can be annoying watching my Huton tick down.
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  6. #46
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    Fynlar Eira
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    Can you or any expert ninja tell me the reason why ninjas need 20+ seconds before the pull?
    It's already been said. Huton, 20 seconds for cooldown to be up, can Suiton immediately at the pull.

    About the only time something like this seriously matters is for high tier raiding, though.
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  7. #47
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nerisu View Post
    I can understand if there is a monk in the party or if someone is in a hurry for whatever reason like daily/weekly resets. As I said, I like it when people use it but if not then I just move on and do my thing.
    No, I can understand that. I used to pause to wait for my damage cooldowns (what little exists of them anyway) to be ready, but it just doesn't seem worth it most of the time.
    It isn't like they can't be used mid-fight, seems to me it's better to get stuck in and do some damage while waiting rather than stand around waiting and doing no damage. Slow progress turning into fast progress has always got to be faster than no progress turning into fast progress right?
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  8. #48
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    Evangela Monterossa
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fynlar View Post
    It's already been said. Huton, 20 seconds for cooldown to be up, can Suiton immediately at the pull.
    I don't really understand it. Better use that 20 seconds to tell those ninjas about Kassatsu.
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  9. #49
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    I don't really understand it. Better use that 20 seconds to tell those ninjas about Kassatsu.
    Using Kassatsu on Suiton is a pretty bad DPS loss. It's like a BRD continuing to use Barrage on Heavy Shot even after he gains Empyreal Arrow; it's a waste of the skill's potential.

    Please don't insult your NIN's intelligence by assuming he doesn't know about his own abilities >_>
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  10. #50
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    With pre-buffed Huton you can put Kassatsu/Raiton in Trick Attack window. Which is DPS boost.
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