A12 savage World first 3 days after patch

[KopeAcetic]

Normal is endgame too , you have the endgame for casual/mid . Now there is another 1 not normal , should be for another target.. Am i wrong?

There are 2 levels right now, just the more difficult part isn't hardcore, it's moderate core which caters to a larger percentage of the population. So yes, you are wrong are you not?

[Olympus]

The problem--not just with this game but society in general--is that this generation has become "the entitled generation" where they think they shouldn't have to work hard at something to get a reward. It's based on jealousy and envy. Some people in this thread are proof of that culture.

I, for one, don't believe we should be handing out "participation ribbons" to every child just because we fear that losing might harm their self-esteem. Participation ribbons only lead to the mess of the "entitlement culture" in which we find ourselves today. But SE is now handing out free participation ribbons to everyone who fancies themselves an end-game "raider". This will surely backfire, as it will in our society.

The only compromise I can see is the addition of a 3rd tier of raiding. Normal and Savage aren't enough to satisfy the vast interests of this player base.

[IllyriaKnotfred]

Normal is endgame too , you have the endgame for casual/mid . Now there is another 1 not normal , should be for another target.. Am i wrong?

No, normal is not endgame. Endgame is something there to help extend the lifespan of current content. As I mentioned in my post above, there would need to be 3 difficulties for any of your arguments to mean anything.

[cammi]

Just a question for those who haven't beat the new raids yet. Can you call them easiler if you yourself have not done them yet? What is easy to some isn't easy for everyone. It's all subjective, Like I have no issues with playing Street fighter or the not nerfed version of Devil May Cry 3, YET that doesn't mean it'll be the same for other people. I feel like calling something easy when you haven't done said thing is a bit odd.

I'm not going to call the raids easy since I have yet to do them, as they might be just as hard for me as the last one were. Just an example. - And before anyone asks I used to have a 240 maxed monk but it was lost. So I'm releveling.-

[Velthice]

That's the point ..why every1 must be able to clear everything? Is this an inner rule? If something is too hard for u , u have a lot of things to do , people also have normal where they can see the story , the istance , the music , the boss . THE only means for the endgame to exist is that it must be something really hard.. Or it won't be and endgame content.

Think of it a different way. If only the 1% can actually clear/see the content, why should the devs even bother with it? Surely it would be better in that case to just axe it altogether. Of course that's the worst case scenario and I don't think anyone really wants that, but you get the idea.

[Pasquale]

There are 2 levels right now, just the more difficult part isn't hardcore, it's moderate core which caters to a larger percentage of the population. So yes, you are wrong are you not?

No im not cuz normal is considered for midcore players , savage can't be for the same target

[Velthice]

No im not cuz normal is considered for midcore players , savage can't be for the same target

I'm just gonna tell you you're wrong here. No one in the entire world is forming a static to take on normal mode. Savage is the target, and targeted to, midcore-hardcore players.

[Welsper59]

If all you care about is raiding create a raiding group where you hop from game to game to game figuring out and beating all raid content without any guides or assistance.

While a vast number of players hate this sentiment just as much as they do "take a break from the game" replies, I have to agree with this. People want a challenge, but they actually think they'll get the full challenge experience by finding out as much as they can about something before actually doing it. Logically, that's one of the dumbest perspectives for anyone to have if they're going to cry about any ease of difficulty. While a select few are the exception to that rule, and unless you were the one to figure out the mechanics in a world first candidate group (not your other group members figuring it out for you), there's really no room for argument.

The sky is always falling when the best of the best perform as expected. If they manage to beat something quickly, it means the end for the game because things are too easy (even though majority of groups following will never be capable of even coming close to such completion time spent). If they fail to beat something quickly, it means the end for the game because things are overtuned, groups are hating the game, they're gating raiders by having gear expectations to complete content (LOL!), etc.

[Greedalox]

The problem--not just with this game but society in general--is that this generation has become "the entitled generation" where they think they shouldn't have to work hard at something to get a reward. It's based on jealousy and envy. Some people in this thread are proof of that culture.

I, for one, don't believe we should be handing out "participation ribbons" to every child just because we fear that losing might harm their self-esteem. Participation ribbons only lead to the mess of the "entitlement culture" in which we find ourselves today. But SE is now handing out free participation ribbons to everyone who fancies themselves an end-game "raider". This will surely backfire, as it will in our society.

Oh, it's the "this generation" argument. Look at you go, you certainly castrated the opposition with that one!

It's a raid tier discussion buddy, not a metaphor for societies failings.

[Centershock]

Normal is endgame too , you have the endgame for casual/mid . Now there is another 1 not normal , should be for another target.. Am i wrong?

You seem to be forgetting the business part of an MMO. No company is going to cater to just the 1%, 5% (insert ridiculously low amount here) that is currently the *hardcore* raid scene. If SE catered to just those people, then 95% of it's current playerbase is going to cancel their sub, this game won't be making anymore money, which means this game is eventually going to get shut down.

If you are playing this game solely for just hardcore raiding and for no other reason, then good luck to you. The rest of us will be over here enjoying other parts of this game.