A12 savage World first 3 days after patch

[Velthice]

So you like brainless content where u can ress 7 ppl and clear cool ( our a10s kill had 10 death!!!)

No, so it's a good thing this isn't that, nice hyperbole though. The endgame absolutely should not be tailored around world first groups and people of similar skill level. They tried that in gordias and it was terrible. It did more damage to the community than any amount of echo and nerfed mechanics ever had. If you pine for that kind of content you are wrong for doing so.

Edit: well let me amend that. You are not wrong for doing so, but it is the very last thing the game needs right now. Ideally we reach a point where all groups are satisfied at once. Hardcore people got thrown their bone in gordias and midas, now it's time to give a bone to the rest, sorry if that bothers you.

[Yukiko]

I never thought i would ever say this but if those so called "elites" continue arguing as if they are the only one playing ffxiv i have to say it:
Somehow i wish they add the fatigue system once again to silence them all...

We worked very hard to kick that system out of FFXIV 1.x, so please stop making me regret this decision!

[Pasquale]

I never thought i would ever say this but if those so called "elites" continue arguing as if they are the only one playing ffxiv i have to say it:
Somehow i wish they add the fatigue system once again to silence them all...

We worked very hard to kick that system out of FFXIV, so please stop making me regret this decision!

Elitist don't argue about glamours mount relic , they have only 1 thing in this game while casual/social have all the things . if they make the only thing where the hardcore ppl have fun suited to the social.. The social/casual are egoist.

[IllyriaKnotfred]

Elitist don't argue about glamours mount relic , they have only 1 thing in this game while casual/social have all the things . if they make the only thing where the hardcore ppl have fun suited to the social.. The social/casual are egoist.

I'm getting really tired of the word "Hardcore" being used to describe anything. The simple fact of the matter is as follows - If SE designs raid content that (Gonna make up numbers since we don't know anything for sure yet) 20-40% of the raiding population clears in its lifespan- This is successful game design. You simply CANNOT cater to the 1-5% in a game where there are only two forms of difficulty in the tier. Now, if there was to say a "Normal", "Hard", THEN "Savage" then all is fine and well. Mid core content is there for those that want it, and the absolutely crazy stuff is there for people that want that. But until (if ever) that time comes, you absolutely must keep the MAJORITY of your raiding player base engaged and happy- instead of rage quitting, statics breaking up, and just a type of environment that breeds toxic attitudes and behaviors.

[Syrellaris]

Elitist don't argue about glamours mount relic , they have only 1 thing in this game while casual/social have all the things . if they make the only thing where the hardcore ppl have fun suited to the social.. The social/casual are egoist.

Everyone can do the same things in the game as everyone else. The only difference is that Raiders put all there time into progressing raids, while Casual / Social players prefer to do this in a more relaxed manner. Eventually this means that content of say Savage also needs to be clearable by this social casual group. This is only fair.

[KopeAcetic]

Elitist don't argue about glamours mount relic , they have only 1 thing in this game while casual/social have all the things . if they make the only thing where the hardcore ppl have fun suited to the social.. The social/casual are egoist.

If all you care about is raiding create a raiding group where you hop from game to game to game figuring out and beating all raid content without any guides or assistance. There are enough MMOs with difficult content that would keep you content. If you want the ultimate challenge you won't get it from a single game.

Hardcore isn't the majority of the players of the game, it's casual-midcore. Why would they continue to cater to hardcore and see the game dwindle and die? Isn't it better to give a moderate challenge and keep the game alive?

[Pasquale]

Everyone can do the same things in the game as everyone else. The only difference is that Raiders put all there time into progressing raids, while Casual / Social players prefer to do this in a more relaxed manner. Eventually this means e that content of say Savage also needs to be clearable by this social casual group. This is only fair.

That's the point ..why every1 must be able to clear everything? Is this an inner rule? If something is too hard for u , u have a lot of things to do , people also have normal where they can see the story , the istance , the music , the boss . THE only means for the endgame to exist is that it must be something really hard.. Or it won't be and endgame content.

[Pasquale]

If all you care about is raiding create a raiding group where you hop from game to game to game figuring out and beating all raid content without any guides or assistance. There are enough MMOs with difficult content that would keep you content. If you want the ultimate challenge you won't get it from a single game.

Hardcore isn't the majority of the players of the game, it's casual-midcore. Why would they continue to cater to hardcore and see the game dwindle and die? Isn't it better to give a moderate challenge and keep the game alive?

Is like u say , if 99% of players are social/mid and 1% hc , they should make 99% casual/mid content and 1% content for hc. But now we have 100% for the first part

[KopeAcetic]

That's the point ..why every1 must be able to clear everything? Is this an inner rule? If something is too hard for u , u have a lot of things to do , people also have normal where they can see the story , the istance , the music , the boss . THE only means for the endgame to exist is that it must be something really hard.. Or it won't be and endgame content.

Who has ever said that "endgame" should only be beatable by 1% of the population? Isn't the entire point of the endgame to be the end of the game? Why should only hardcore be able to play the endgame?

[Pasquale]

Who has ever said that "endgame" should only be beatable by 1% of the population? Isn't the entire point of the endgame to be the end of the game? Why should only hardcore be able to play the endgame?

Normal is endgame too , you have the endgame for casual/mid . Now there is another 1 not normal , should be for another target.. Am i wrong?