A12 savage World first 3 days after patch

[Olympus]

Can't believe it...just logged in today to find out what should be the hardest raid in the game has been cleared in under 48 hours from launch.

I play this game with friends, and we enjoy a consistent raid schedule of 9-ish hours a week, taking a few months to clear each patch, including Gordias and Midas. With content scaled down to a ridiculous level, it sounds like this game is going the way our last MMO went...easy content for casual players. Well...that MMO is on its deathbed thanks to that decision, and I'm glad I left it when I did. A shame it looks like FFXIV is now going the same way, since I want a CHALLENGE that I can enjoy for a while.

Can anyone recommend a game for me and my friends to play that will return the challenge that we crave? It sounds like that won't be FFXIV any more...

[KopeAcetic]

Can't believe it...just logged in today to find out what should be the hardest raid in the game has been cleared in under 48 hours from launch.

I play this game with friends, and we enjoy a consistent raid schedule of 9-ish hours a week, taking a few months to clear each patch, including Gordias and Midas. With content scaled down to a ridiculous level, it sounds like this game is going the way our last MMO went...easy content for casual players. Well...that MMO is on its deathbed thanks to that decision, and I'm glad I left it when I did. A shame it looks like FFXIV is now going the same way, since I want a CHALLENGE that I can enjoy for a while.

Can anyone recommend a game for me and my friends to play that will return the challenge that we crave? It sounds like that won't be FFXIV any more...

WoW has multiple tiers of content including hardcore raiding, I would suggest looking into it if you don't like XIV's raiding content.

[loreleidiangelo]

WoW has multiple tiers of content including hardcore raiding, I would suggest looking into it if you don't like XIV's raiding content.

Before you get too excited, WoW's top tier raid was also cleared in a very short amount of time (Mythic Emerald Nightmare). Not to say that the raid scene there isn't vastly better than here, but even WoW's focus of late has actually been "we want more people to actually clear this content than we want people to herald it as the pinnacle of skill".

I don't think it's a bad thing, but I do think if you're going to try WoW and it's raiding you should be doing so for the size, atmosphere, and mechanics of their raids, not because of "how hard" they are.

[Rita1989]

The only reason the past raid tiers took so long for world firsts were the gear requirement were higher that you couldn't clear it which was just artificially extending the clear times and the change to ability timers reseting is a huge factor as well.

This content is still going to very hard for most of the player base.

[Greedalox]

The only reason the past raid tiers took so long for world firsts were the gear requirement were higher that you couldn't clear it which was just artificially extending the clear times and the change to ability timers reseting is a huge factor as well.

This content is still going to very hard for most of the player base.

This is it pretty much it in a nutshell. Any content that holds the best players back MECHANICALLY for weeks will hold anyone else back for months if not the more likely alternate-probably not even completing it at all. This is because it's not something you can alleviate besides just performing the mechanics properly. Steep gear checks were the primary reason past Alexanders took more time. Unless you're a hardcore raider (Which 9 hours a week isn't - in response to Olympus) you'll still have plenty of time to spend with your raid progressing.

[Lunafreya]

Disappointing but I doubt I'll clear it. Maybe...

[SessionZero]

I'm sorry, when did world first raiders who treat raiding like a second job become the metric for difficulty in endgame content?

I could probably clear A12S in 48 hours too if I chose to do nothing but throw myself at it.

[Centershock]

I'm sorry, when did world first raiders who treat raiding like a second job become the metric for difficulty in endgame content?

I could probably clear A12S in 48 hours too if I chose to do nothing but throw myself at it.

I, too, do not have that much time to devote to raiding. I don't understand all the complaining, to be honest.

People complained about the easy difficulty of FCoB. So the Devs created Gordias Savage. People complained that no one could pass it, and Midas Savage. So they went for something different, Creator Savage. People complaining again that it's "easy." Really, people. I don't know about you, but I DO NOT WANT Gordias 2.0 in the next expansion.

I am a casual to mid-core player. I would love it if I could even clear A9S at some point since this is likely the last high tier raid until 4.0.

[Pasquale]

It's topics like this back when final coil was cleared that birthed gordias, the worst raid ever that absolutely decimated the raiding scene. Is that what you want? The difficulty of the creator is good, great even, and I'll gladly take several more tiers of this kind of difficulty to build back the endgame playerbase than see it all fall apart again because some whiny guys on the forums were mad about people being able to clear content.

So you like brainless content where u can ress 7 ppl and clear cool ( our a10s kill had 10 death!!!)

[Velthice]

So you like brainless content where u can ress 7 ppl and clear cool ( our a10s kill had 10 death!!!)

No, so it's a good thing this isn't that, nice hyperbole though. The endgame absolutely should not be tailored around world first groups and people of similar skill level. They tried that in gordias and it was terrible. It did more damage to the community than any amount of echo and nerfed mechanics ever had. If you pine for that kind of content you are wrong for doing so.

Edit: well let me amend that. You are not wrong for doing so, but it is the very last thing the game needs right now. Ideally we reach a point where all groups are satisfied at once. Hardcore people got thrown their bone in gordias and midas, now it's time to give a bone to the rest, sorry if that bothers you.