Yoshi-P on Character Growth

[Musashidon]

that's an issue as far as I'm concerned

but how do you retain all players? or do we only want to retain specific players?

As I said in this thread a few days ago, the idea is a game that is "easy to pick up", but "hard to put down". Right now XIV is so easy to pick up that it's easy to put down; I could quit tomorrow, come back for 4.4 and catch up fairly quickly.

but is that really a problem for the majority? yes they can put it down pretty easy but do they?

how do you give people real progression without making it mandatory? how do you give the people who want to get stronger stronger but without making the people who play little weaker than them?

[Sandpark]

but how do you retain all players? or do we only want to retain specific players?

You don't. The rise of the mmorpg, so many choices, even the juggernaut gains and loses subscribers.

You can go the full hardcore route and if it sticks maybe get 200-500k mostly staying subbed like XI did, probably harder to do nowadays. Or you go to the opposite end and the playerbase fluctuates from great at patches and abysmal between patches.

If endgame had more of what Nalien asks for, the endgame players would probably stick around longer. That wouldn't solve the bigger issue though. Getting a ton of players to reach endgame and have an endgame without too much grind.

Elder Scrolls Online tried to implement perpetual grinding with Veteran ranks, Champion Points, Caldwell gold and silver. They ended up going from sub to B2P. Dropped veteran ranks, capped champion points, are now introducing battle scaling for the entire world, removed the 3 nation allegiance so it would be easier to get groups, and try to incentive subscribing. I liked the old grind for the most part minus the bugs.

I don't play WoW. But when you go from other mmos to here, you start to appreciate some of the things SE does with XIV. So smooth in performance. I hope SE can find a way to keep the endgame players happy here.

[Musashidon]

You don't. The rise of the mmorpg, so many choices, even the juggernaut gains and loses subscribers.

yea every choice will gain you/lose you subs no matter what someone is unhappy.

a lot of what i have seen is against *people should just take a break* but if yoshi p gave the burn out players more grinds so they can get stronger he alienates the players who don't burn/progress as much and fast, these players leave and now well the one group is happy the other group is the one that leaves now.

what does he do then? nothing? i mean those players are happy. i mean haven't we seen some of the arguments for hard content *if you can't do it get better* *if you want the reward play another game that gives you it*
but when it's said to the other group *hey if you want a game that gives you bis for raids play that game* it becomes some crime against humanity.

it seems most discussion more boils down to *my side has great ideas your reasoning against it is poor* no matter which side you are on.

look at fred/bass both sides said, the other sides reason was bad. WHERE IS THE DISCUSSION IN THAT?

you don't say hey you don't like pineapple on your pizza?! wow you sure hate more don't you?! you don't look at people who like cheese only pizza and go wow you have worse taste than me because i like my pizza with 10 toppings.