Yoshi-P on Character Growth

[Frederick22]

You guys are like going to play 1 month each patch cycle?

What about gardering, what about getting the tomestone gear, what about the x.x5 suff? ( anima, podt, orther possible new content )
What about GC? the more you play the better your garrisons will be...
what about wonders tails, what happens if you miss the chanse of getting a very nice rewards?


Drama.. drammaa.. dramma.... I'm so sick of it..
You guys expect perfection, sorry but mmorpg is perfect. Wow has flawss, elder scrolls have flawss...dam...

Tell me of a mmorpg who met all your expectations, with no single complain..

Seriously, you guys want the imposible..

[Kaurie]

You guys are like going to play 1 month each patch cycle?

What about gardering, what about getting the tomestone gear, what about the x.x5 suff?
( anima, podt, orther possible new content )
What about GC? the more you play the better your garrisons will be...
what about wonders tails, what happens if you miss the chanse of getting a very nice rewards?


Drama.. drammaa.. dramma.... I'm so sick of it..
You guys expect perfection, sorry but mmorpg is perfect. Wow has flawss, elder scrolls have flawss...dam...

Tell me of a mmorpg who met all your expectations, with no single complain..

Seriously, you guys want the imposible..

You listed a lot of things in your post that I have major issues with (GC, tomestone gear, garening, wonderous tails).

I don't think anyone is suggesting any other MMO is perfect. That doesn't mean other MMO's don't do certain things better than FFXIV.

Granted, I don't think you are actually sick of the drama, or you wouldn't be reading these forum posts.

[Reynhart]

What about gardering, what about getting the tomestone gear, what about the x.x5 suff? ( anima, podt, orther possible new content )
What about GC? the more you play the better your garrisons will be...
what about wonders tails, what happens if you miss the chanse of getting a very nice rewards?

There is a problem with every content you mention.
What is their reward ? If it's cosmetic, most peope won't care. If it's gear, it will automatically be weaker than Tome gear and raid gear. And in one month, you can grind enough tome (capped and uncapped) to faceroll everything except raid. Of course, you won't have BiS gear, but you won't care either.

The worst part on gear reward is that if you quit the game for 6 months and come back, then you'll obtain the new Tome gear at the same rate as those who played constantly while skipping the intermediate gear because it has become worthless.

The "good" thing about horizontal progression is that most gear will stay relevant throughout the expansion.

[Frederick22]

There is a problem with every content you mention.
What is their reward ? If it's cosmetic, most peope won't care. If it's gear, it will automatically be weaker than Tome gear and raid gear. And in one month, you can grind enough tome (capped and uncapped) to faceroll everything except raid. Of course, you won't have BiS gear, but you won't care either.

The worst part on gear reward is that if you quit the game for 6 months and come back, then you'll obtain the new Tome gear at the same rate as those who played constantly while skipping the intermediate gear because it has become worthless.

The "good" thing about horizontal progression is that most gear will stay relevant throughout the expansion.

You dont like it? Then this game isnt for you.

[bass9020]

You dont like it? Then this game isnt for you.

This poor excuse of a response is getting so old now.

[Frederick22]

This poor excuse of a response is getting so old now.

The answer of someone who says total noncensses and doesnt know the difference between a badly desing content and a personal taste.

I just cant believe how many is complaining and what they can only bring are just poor excuses.

[Awful]

They honestly need to stop playing it safe once I heard 4.0 will be the same I just was...well disappointed I was hoping for something fresh and new but 3.0 is just 2.0 with the same formula and as a long time player i'm just tired of it. I'm tired of the same circular EX and farming for it for my off classes and maybe my main class if the stats are "okay" wooo, Savage will be easier people will clear it faster then they cleared Gordias which barely 5% of the playerbase got to finish and I have to ask why did they make Creator so much easier? Shouldn't it have been the other way around? Gordias being easiest > Midas > Creator? SE screwed the pooch and made raiding in Alexander terrible in the first place as most players didn't find it as accessible whereas Creator will be accessible and easier so I just don't get it.

As for character growth why should I even bother upgrading my ilvl? There'll be a catch up patch and I can gear my character again I wish we could have some other way to gear ourselves under savage like 5 ilvls lower through Savage Dungeons or something but having to farm tomes over and over and over has worn on me and I haven't capped in 3 weeks. I haven't felt like my character has grown the only way I felt that was through the tank changes which affected every tank not myself so that's a bust, i'm tired of trying to fill people for a static usually have 6 FC members and 2 PUGs now it's more of 3 FC members 5 PUGs and the PUGs maybe stay for 2-3 weeks so I gave up trying to clear A8S. If it's the same formula I won't bother trying to start another static up i'm done I did this for Gordias and Midas and it's brought only headaches for myself and my friends most of them are playing Legion now as myself and I find the character growth there is substantial compared to FF XIV but now i'm getting off topic.

I am taking a break till 3.4 but only myself will know if i'll really enjoy 3.4 and to be truly honest with you i'm just meh with everything nothing excites me anymore, raiding is eh in here as raiders aren't rewarded and are neglected, no midcore options, dungeons are forgotten within the same day, trials are good until you farm them for the 203203293 time, getting the birds then you'll never have to go back. I don't enjoy Lord of Vermillion, I don't enjoy Manderville Golden Saucer, Triple Triad, that content is forgettable for me, I do the relic only because I started it a long time ago and might as well finish it, I know i'm harping on this game but as a paying customer for my own enjoyment with others I want them to take risks. I truly love this game but the development team just keeps making awkward decisions that as a consumer can't agree with and am just confused as to why they make these decisions.

I'm with Spookyghost and support his/her ideas as I share the same views about the game but had to ramble on a bit about content and what not but I need to let it out and talk about it I don't want this game to die at all but I want them to at least take risks and mold and give us quality, lasting, content.

Also I'm extremely annoyed with his perception that once you reach ilvl cap you should level another job or play another game - but not because of the reason most people are. My entire issue with this is that getting to max ilvl basically means doing one thing that is readily accessible once you beat normal mode (a task that a monkey with a typewriter can do). After you beat Savage... frankly, you don't even need to farm it. Why? Because, first of all, ilvl resets on the next even number patch - including weapon, apparently, so there is literally no reason to get all that gear. And why is there no reason to get all that gear? Because there's nothing to do after you beat Savage. And they're making Savage clearable in 2 months by midcore groups! That's fine, don't get me wrong, I am all for them lowering the difficulty if we're only given the 2 difficulties (though I'd prefer them just doing Normal + Hard = even patch, Savage = odd patch) - my problem lies in the fact that after 2 months... everyone that raids is done raiding. There's nothing left. It's over. We have no more new content to do for 4 months.

I really hope they rethink their perspective on how they should handle end game in 4.0. It's entirely backwards atm.

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

One of the common threads of dissent on the forums seems to be the gear system, and I understand wanting options, or having BiS gear to be spread across content. But do you really want a game were BiS itself is based on the fight, and you need to have 2 or 3 meaningfully different "BiS" options to work with? That seems exhausting!

It really is. Having to keep up with seven or eight gear sets per character is not only boring, but requires a massive amount of grind for what amounts to .5% efficiency gain. There's really nothing fun or enjoyable about it.

[Kaurie]

Not sure why people would have multiple gear sets with the addition of horizontal progression. Is this an FFXI thing?