Roles for Samurai, Red Mage, Dancer

[CrystalRainbow]

RDM 3 stances that can't change outside of combat or once you enter a instance.

You pick your role.
Healer Stance / DPS Stance / Tank Stance. The true do it all but sucks at everything job!

[Balipu]

Dang, you guys are on fire. I reached my post limit and when i come back we have like four new pages. Okay, here goes nothing:

Personally, with the way our healers DPS more often than not, I'd be inclined to make the Red Mage a healer - they can even get heavier armor because chances are, it doesn't matter. Only the melee aspect would suffer a little.

I can't imagine dancer capturing the core fantasy of it without it being a DPS. It should be very mobile, because motion is what dancing is all about - something that tanks definitely should not do because every melee DPS would get a stroke and something that would most likely be OP on healers.

Samurai could work as either DPS or Tank - they are typically depicted in heavy armor, but the shirt wearing Samurai (preferably with a straw in the mouth) has also become widespread in media. Healing seems off - there are no associations of Samurai with mending.

Can't imagine Dancer being anything but DPS? That's odd. DNC has been a support class since the very beginning. Although I do like the idea of mowing down enemies armed with only a fan. Or a pair.

Yes Samurai healer is kinda dumb. I just included it because it is one of the possible ways to combine the 3 jobs and the 3 roles. I could maybe see healer SAM sacreficing speed, damage, tp or health to buff or heal the others. As an extreme form of loyalty to your Lord (the tank).

Samuai DPS
Red Mage tank
Dancer healer

I'm not sure why people still think that having another tank class is going to fix the shortage of tanks. People don't tank because it's the most demanding role (except maybe healers) and requires the most attention while playing. People get nervous queuing with them. SE could add 3 more tank classes and no dps/healer classes and it still wouldn't change the shortage issue.

Well then, how about giving them a fun class. That could be an incentive to play.

In pretty much any "Holy Trinity" based MMO there is always a surplus of DPS players and a shortage of Healers and Tanks. There are multiple theories as to why (Added "responsiblity" when playing a tank or healer, more "cool" class options as DPS, "Damage is fun") but it's very rare to find a Trinity MMO where Healers/Tanks are more popular than DPS roles.

For the question above, I could see it going more or less anyway. I'd lean toward "Samurai = DPS, Red Mage = Tank, Dancer = Healer". but I'm not really sure.


For Red Mage, they could technically fit all three. Red Mage is going to be tough to fit in this game, if only because they are defined by being "Jack of All Trades, Master of None". The Red Mage will see quite a bit of change, and depending on what they decide to emphasize it will change. As a Tank, they could easily have a number of defensive abilities, support abilities, and offensive abilities (not unlike Paladin), while still fighting in melee. It might make a great fit. However, it would likely need heavier armor, which might not work as well. As DPS it could probably still do all three as well. Healer I see being a bit harder, if only since it's supposed to be melee, but it could fit. I think Red Mage is a pretty good bet for the expansion though. The two major Ala-Mihgan characters we've seen have both combined swordplay with fire magic (Ilberd and Raubahn), I'm just not sure what role they'll fill.

Dancer I could easily see as a Healer, or a DPS. As a DPS they could easily fit the "melee bard" kind of role, with support focused dances and quick melee strikes. As a Healer, they could focus on party wide support abilities, although I'm not sure how they would handle "melee" healing. Tank fits some of their aspects thematically (attracting attention), but I feel like would be a bad fit. Either they would have to wear heavy armor, or they would have to be an "Evasion" tank, and to be frank I don't see that happening. "Evasion Tanks" are notoriously hard to balance correctly, as they usually end up either too weak or wildly overpowered. So, I don't realistically see "Dancer" as becoming a tank, though healer or DPS could work.

Red Mage or Dancer could probably fit any of the role. For dancer tank i had the evasion tank in might. It might be hard to balance but it would be interesting.

I think people new to MMOs jsut begin with dps as that is the easiest and they never graduate.

Samurai being a tank seems like the obvious choice - but I kinda hope it doesn't happen. Samurai will probably use a katana or great katana, and that would make for THREE out of four tanks wielding swords... It'd be nice to have a sword-wielding DPS for a change. Of course, they could get fancy and give SAM a Naginata, or even a bow...

Exactly. The DPS Icon is a sword for gods sake. But with this 3 we are getting 2 sword wielding jobs. It is highly likely that one of them will end up being a DPS.

What if they made samurai have a tank version and a dps version. 2 different style katanas.

What do you mean? Two different samurai classes? The only way I could see that happen if samurai ends up being a base class with a tank and a dps jobs (saaay Yojimbo and Ronin respectively.) I would really love that but I don't think that will happen untill I get Yoshie-P's position.

With those 3...

Samurai Tank
Red Mage Healer
Dancer DPS (in the same vein as Bard)

I wonder if they could add new base classes instead of just jobs, because that way they could add more Jobs in the same matter how ACN is used by both SMN and SCH as a base class...

I hope they do eventually. Classes are important, but they have been hurt a lot in Heavensward.

So what? Because the tank role is less popular so we're gonna keep sacrificing good jobs like Dark Knight and Samurai to be a boring punching bag?

They don't need to be boring, you know.

At this moment were kinda just speculating these are the 3 chosen jobs arn't we? Dancer is the only one (assuming his word on the event having to do with it, thus the emote being a copy of XI) that seems like a possible choice but outside that, has any other info been seen or given to hint at it?

Yep, we kinda are just speculating. While i wasn't here for last years rising I think it mentioned samurai and red mage. Definitely samurai. The current rising event had the wandering minstrel mention a sword cleaving the ocean floor after spears do something (meaning after Heavensward we get a water themed expansion with a sword wielding class). And these 3 are the most requested classes/jobs anyway.
No definite info. Yoshida will probably come with a new t-shirt to the fanfest and mention that his favorite movie is Last Samurai or Dirty Dancing or HUnt for the Red October, or whatever. At least that's how Dark Knight and Machinist were revealed.

RDM 3 stances that can't change outside of combat or once you enter a instance.

You pick your role.
Healer Stance / DPS Stance / Tank Stance. The true do it all but sucks at everything job!

I had the same idea for dancer actually, But you still need a main role that you can use for queing.