Unofficial Census 2016 for FFXIV

[KarstenS]

But this is the exact way that Coil worked and there were no complaints then about the reward structure.

The difference is: With coil we had no gear reset at the start of a new tier.

Alex Savage is not fun, but it's not because Alex Normal exists, in my opinion.

The normal mode right at the start did its part to destroy the atmosphere of the raid. For Alexander Savage you had to do the normal mode to unlock it. You had to farm it for gear. It destroyed the entire feeling of an exploration. An then you enter Savage. There is not much new. No surprises. You already knew nearly everything. No exploration.

There is still the challange. But I miss the other stuff really hard. And BTW: The exclusive glamour too. The normal mode should not hand out the same glamour as Savage. PvP players have their exclusive glamour, so why not for Savage?

[KarstenS]

Second: Neither of us know how they developed it besides what they said they did. You can take them for their word it doesn't make sense to me that's all I'm saying.

The fights were obviously not designed savage then toned down

They are. Do A8 Savage and you will see. Only in this fight you can understand what the little text bubbles of the robots do really want to tell you. In every other fight, including A8 normal, they are out of context.

And BTW: The biggest fail with heavensward was it to make pets, mounts, titles and crafting mats available when running unsync. Especially for SCoB Savae I can't facepalm enough.

[Cakekizyy]

They are. Do A8 Savage and you will see. Only in this fight you can understand what the little text bubbles of the robots do really want to tell you. In every other fight, including A8 normal, they are out of context.

And BTW: The biggest fail with heavensward was it to make pets, mounts, titles and crafting mats available when running unsync. Especially for SCoB Savae I can't facepalm enough.

Other people getting something easier doesn't impact you. Exclusivity is not a virtue.

[Vantol]

Other people getting something easier doesn't impact you.

Yes, it does. That's the whole point of this and many many other threads. It's the 2nd biggest problem of this game (1st being stats).

[Sanghelios]

I agree that the normal difficulty raid we have now actually destroys the atmosphere. Actually i would it do like this:

3.0 Raid A (Savage) i210 dyeable
3.1 Raid A (Normal) i200 non-dyeable
3.2 Raid B (Savage) i240 dyable
3.3 Raid B (Normal) i230 non-dyeable
3.4 Raid C (Savage) i270 dyeable
3.5 Raid C (Normal) i260 non-dyeable

This would be, in my opinion, the optimal way for raiding without major changes. The reason for normal mode was that casuals can enjoy the storyline ect, and following this way, they still can do it, just a bit later and raiders would still have their savage raid without destroying the atmosphere beforehand. Rewards for normal mode would have to be adjusted. I think 10 ilvls lower than the savage counterpart and non-dyeable should be fine since its 3 months later.

[Zojha]

Yes, it does.

Objectively...no it doesn't, unless the thing in question has limited supply and thus, taking something away on one end means it's missing on the other. That's not the case for digital items.

Subjectively...some people consider it sexual oppression when words have a grammatical gender assigned. I suppose yes, it does impact people subjectively.

[Vantol]

Objectively...no it doesn't, unless the thing in question has limited supply and thus, taking something away on one end means it's missing on the other. That's not the case for digital items.

I already explained it. Let's say I spend 20 years of my life working hard 24/7 to buy a plane. Now I have plane, get fame, girls, ride friends, tell stories and have fun with it. And next morning goverment decides to give free plane to every person. So in the end I just wasted 20 years of my life for nothing while everyone was spending this time with families, beloved ones, doing fun stuff and enjoing life. Of course that is not fair and I will be mad.

[aesteval]

Normal mode is a massive mistake. Level 5's CEO was right in pointing it out to Yoshida.

First off, it kills off a lot of the hype and anticipation behind the story and big reveals. I can only imagine how anticlimactic it would've been to defeat Nael van Darnus, Louisoix, or Bahamut if all it took was 10 minutes with maybe a single wipe. These enemies are supposed to be a threat to the realm. They should feel more substantial to defeat.

*ponders* A flaw with every player being the warrior of light and leaving no room for supporting roles? What if we all WEREN'T the world's "only hope." What if the normal mode was the challenge and the minstrel's ballad was the easier story mode to share the tale that becomes accessible as legend spreads. Could community incentive be designed around only making story mode available after server first clear (and maybe a later patch as a last ditch time based release.)

[aesteval]

*ponders* A flaw with every player being the warrior of light and leaving no room for supporting roles? What if we all WEREN'T the world's "only hope." What if the normal mode was the challenge and the minstrel's ballad was the easier story mode to share the tale that becomes accessible as legend spreads. Could community incentive be designed around only making story mode available after server first clear (and maybe a later patch as a last ditch time based release.)

...set it up so that the server first player names are part of the story / legend as part of the story line leading up to normal mode? That could be some incentive?

[MihaelB]

...set it up so that the server first player names are part of the story / legend as part of the story line leading up to normal mode? That could be some incentive?

Or copy SAO and slap the first server clears, perhaps 1-10th groups on a stone somewhere