Something need to be done in how tanks acquiring Provoke

[Mycow8me]

You are saying this with the hindsight of knowing that provoke is important.

Why anyone would think an aquireable crossclass skill is not important to be efficient in their role is beyond me... I would hope they learn that lesson while equipping bloodbath and foresight while leveling on their gladiator in order to become a warrior but I guess for the players you are talking about they are going to need to actually use the mentor system cause they are going to be clueless about anything under these circumstances unless the skill is flat out given to them.

[Zojha]

Why anyone would think an aquireable crossclass skill is not important to be efficient in their role is beyond me...

Yeah, who doesn't cross-class Savage Blade, Skull Sunder and Fracture? Feint, Haymaker and Keen Flurry also seem mighty essential. And we all know the only reason BLMs level archer is for Straight Shot and Venomous bite.

Honestly? I think it's very easy to consider cross-class skills unimportant when I look at several of the first ones you get.

[Mugiawara]

Why anyone would think an aquireable crossclass skill is not important to be efficient in their role is beyond me... I would hope they learn that lesson while equipping bloodbath and foresight while leveling on their gladiator in order to become a warrior but I guess for the players you are talking about they are going to need to actually use the mentor system cause they are going to be clueless about anything under these circumstances unless the skill is flat out given to them.

Considering they ain't doing jack with the class system, kinda hard when they aren't pushing it anymore. They need to remove it all honesty.
Most the CC abilities are pure Dog dookie anyways.
What I think they should do is merge some skills into the jobs skills so we don't have to worry about it.
So like add Provoke to an existing WAR skills, and add SC to all healer jobs.

[Cakekizyy]

Why anyone would think an aquireable crossclass skill is not important to be efficient in their role is beyond me... I would hope they learn that lesson while equipping bloodbath and foresight while leveling on their gladiator in order to become a warrior but I guess for the players you are talking about they are going to need to actually use the mentor system cause they are going to be clueless about anything under these circumstances unless the skill is flat out given to them.

Are you saying Cure is important to be efficient as a PLD?

[Nihility]

Are you saying Cure is important to be efficient as a PLD?

Dunno about you but I've had enough occasions in leveling dungeons paired with healers that can't get a grasp on "don't stand in red" that riot blade + cure is what got the group through to a victory
That I consider it a cross-class slot well filled

[Cakekizyy]

Dunno about you but I've had enough occasions in leveling dungeons paired with healers that can't get a grasp on "don't stand in red" that riot blade + cure is what got the group through to a victory
That I consider it a cross-class slot well filled

Ah, never had healers that bad. Only ever used when solo if chocobo was slacking.

As for comment about Active Help, don't think it would help much. Half the questions I see in Novice Network were answered by AH, but people turn it off after first message and never see any future ones.

[Shurrikhan]

Dunno about you but I've had enough occasions in leveling dungeons paired with healers that can't get a grasp on "don't stand in red" that riot blade + cure is what got the group through to a victory
That I consider it a cross-class slot well filled

I did a solo Cutter's Cry Chimera on PLD once while leveling (rest of the group left, never refilled) by means of Cure between Chimera casts and a fair bit of Riot Blade, but even then I can't say I don't find it lacking. Were it merely to scale with physical weapon damage instead (or if the physical/magical damage distinction was removed, and caster strength just nerfed a bit if we really find caster auto-attacks that fearsome and overpowered), that'd be a huge boon, and maybe make it worth taking as a efficient alternative to Clemency when you absolutely cannot attack and the ally doesn't have enough health for Stoneskin to pay off.

[lvlagmarink]

Are you saying Cure is important to be efficient as a PLD?

Cross class cure on PLD has its use to trigger Divine Veil with low mp usage in case the healers are dumb.. But no... It's far from being efficient..