Something need to be done in how tanks acquiring Provoke

[bass9020]

Entitlement?! I know this is the buzzword of the decade, but I hardly think it applies here. The point is that cross-class abilities are not mentioned at all in-game. Heck, I found them by accident when I hit the wrong hotbutton and opened my abilities window. If they are important enough to be considered required, then they should at least get some sort of mention in-game that leveling alternate classes is about more than just opening the job you want.

If you and many others apparently bothered to read the abilites/spell tool tips they say on the very bottom what classes and jobs can use them, clearly indicating that its a cross class system. Or opening up the abilities menu and seeing the additional area.....

[Lambdafish]

If you and many others apparently bothered to read the abilites/spell tool tips they say on the very bottom what classes and jobs can use them, clearly indicating that its a cross class system. Or opening up the abilities menu and seeing the additional area.....

A WAR can't see provoke if they haven't unlocked it on GLA. An unaware player would have no idea the skill existed. A WAR would need to 1) switch to GLA 2) look at GLA skills that havent been unlocked 3) find provoke 4) identify it as cross class. Thats a lot of effort to go through when you don't even know the skill exists and you don't play GLA

[bass9020]

A WAR can't see provoke if they haven't unlocked it on GLA

Yes but you can still see what classes and jobs can use what skills from there own set. So common knowledge(I know thats VERY hard around this community) when you try out another class you look at the skills.

[Lambdafish]

Yes but you can still see what classes and jobs can use what skills from there own set. So common knowledge(I know thats VERY hard around this community) when you try out another class you look at the skills.

You are saying this with the hindsight of knowing that provoke is important. As a completely new player playing MRD you wouldn't even think that one of your most important skills comes from GLA unless you are told, which the game does not. It's all well and good saying the information is there, but it is only there if you know what you are looking for, if somebody tells you, or if you stumble across it accidentally.

[bass9020]

You are saying this with the hindsight of knowing that provoke is important. As a completely new player playing MRD you wouldn't even think that one of your most important skills comes from GLA unless you are told, which the game does not. It's all well and good saying the information is there, but it is only there if you know what you are looking for, if somebody tells you, or if you stumble across it accidentally.

Even if I had the POV of a new player at the point that I started leveling another class I would go over what skills I would need and think to myself oh this looks important maybe I should take it. Its not that hard. Trial and error and at least they are leveling other classes and trying to learn new cross class abilities, that right there is better than people who don't put any effort in trying.

[Lambdafish]

Even if I had the POV of a new player at the point that I started leveling another class I would go over what skills I would need and think to myself oh this looks important maybe I should take it. Its not that hard. Trial and error and at least they are leveling other classes and trying to learn new cross class abilities, that right there is better than people who don't put any effort in trying.

Again, you are assuming that a new player even understands or has had any experience with the cross class system. The game isn't very clear how it works, and it's only through other players (which some players don't talk to often) that you learn which abilities are useful to your class (I had no idea that swiftcast was important to WHM until a long time after it was 50, the reason being that I didn't play BLM, in fact I didn't even know that swiftcast was an ability that could be used for WHM)

Why anyone would think an aquireable crossclass skill is not important to be efficient in their role is beyond me...

Because (aside from 3 or 4 skills) the cross class system is not all that important to be efficient in your role lol

[Mycow8me]

You are saying this with the hindsight of knowing that provoke is important.

Why anyone would think an aquireable crossclass skill is not important to be efficient in their role is beyond me... I would hope they learn that lesson while equipping bloodbath and foresight while leveling on their gladiator in order to become a warrior but I guess for the players you are talking about they are going to need to actually use the mentor system cause they are going to be clueless about anything under these circumstances unless the skill is flat out given to them.

[Zojha]

Why anyone would think an aquireable crossclass skill is not important to be efficient in their role is beyond me...

Yeah, who doesn't cross-class Savage Blade, Skull Sunder and Fracture? Feint, Haymaker and Keen Flurry also seem mighty essential. And we all know the only reason BLMs level archer is for Straight Shot and Venomous bite.

Honestly? I think it's very easy to consider cross-class skills unimportant when I look at several of the first ones you get.

[Mugiawara]

Why anyone would think an aquireable crossclass skill is not important to be efficient in their role is beyond me... I would hope they learn that lesson while equipping bloodbath and foresight while leveling on their gladiator in order to become a warrior but I guess for the players you are talking about they are going to need to actually use the mentor system cause they are going to be clueless about anything under these circumstances unless the skill is flat out given to them.

Considering they ain't doing jack with the class system, kinda hard when they aren't pushing it anymore. They need to remove it all honesty.
Most the CC abilities are pure Dog dookie anyways.
What I think they should do is merge some skills into the jobs skills so we don't have to worry about it.
So like add Provoke to an existing WAR skills, and add SC to all healer jobs.

[Cakekizyy]

Why anyone would think an aquireable crossclass skill is not important to be efficient in their role is beyond me... I would hope they learn that lesson while equipping bloodbath and foresight while leveling on their gladiator in order to become a warrior but I guess for the players you are talking about they are going to need to actually use the mentor system cause they are going to be clueless about anything under these circumstances unless the skill is flat out given to them.

Are you saying Cure is important to be efficient as a PLD?