Make FFXIV more like FFXI and less like WoW!

[Lorielle]

Honestly, I don't really give two rat's butts if you take what I have to say seriously. It's highly unlikely that I take anything you have to say as anything more than someone wants to be a social justice keyboard warrior. I voiced my opinion on the subject, just like everyone else in the thread. Thanks for noticing the tags. I'm glad they struck a cord with you, that means that on some level you know them to be true. They fit true to form in describing both the game and the people who champion that game in these threads. "Lots of zeal for a sucky game called FFXI."

Ignored or not, I'll still respond anyway. It's fine to voice your opinion, but when you decide to tag every thread that disagrees with your opinion with things of that nature, it's just a sense of immaturity. There's a lot of people that feel the same about what XI had versus what XIV has. It's not even on this board alone, but if you wish to ignore that because of your dislike of XI, then that's your prerogative. We can tell you guys time and time again we don't want XI-2, but that's what people keep translating our words to be. Again, that's your perception. It's wrong, but it is that.

In any case, try to be a little more civil and less offended just because someone called you out on something that seems unnecessary.

[Alaltus]

This was not a good thing. People were overly dependent on FFXIclopedia. For good reasons, but we were. The quests were way too vague, even on a starter level.

Well a motivation to keep the wiki updated isn't exactly a bad thing but yeah they could have done with having more detailed quest descriptions in the quest/mission menus.

[Warlyx]

what they added jump to FFXI? , i played it last year and wasnt able to jump!!! there is a free login time now.....just want to see my taru taru jumping around !

[Istaru]

FFXI is a real game now!!1!!!

MMO with jumping??? AAA+++++++++++++ game, buy it now.

MMO where you are supposed to interact with people, explore, and can't jump??? Worst game ever -1,000%!!

/sarcasm off

There are things from this game that I think are better than they were in XI and 1.0, obviously, jumping isn't one of them. Couldn't care less about jumping in an MMO. I don't have a Rokien level of hate for it, just not a required thing for my enjoyment of a game.

I also think there were things that were better in XI and 1.0 than they are here.

Maybe one day they will hit that sweet spot that is the best of them all.

I'm not holding my breath though, I'm sure I would die first.

[DPZ2]

As my own experiment with FFXI continues, I will say two things:

1. I ran across some FFXI forum posts from 2014 while trying to figure out how to deal with the in-game map. The lines of thought being expressed were "I'm quitting because I can't get anywhere in this game after a month because all of the old-timers out there are so set in their ways they can't accomodate a SMN in the game" vs "You shouldn't have chosen such a stupid job in the first place, noob. You deserve to quit".

Nice, friendly community spirit being expressed there.

2. Everything in the game requires external research, even "what are your darn controls supposed to do". It took me 3 days to figure out that I didn't have to go into REGEDIT on Windows to configure the game graphics (although that was the response I found on the network from the more popular links). I still haven't figured out exactly how to talk to anyone else in-game who isn't in my immediate vicinity.

I remember how little reference to external sources I needed when playing WoW for the first time back in BC. The controls were either intuitive or well-explained through in-game quests to use them. And those quests weren't hard to discover. That's one reason why it remains a highly popular MMO out there.

[Synestra]

EQ has scripted fights without telegraphs.

Well even WoW is kinda scripted when you use boss mods, all boss abilities are on ICD that said mods tracks thus telling when they are coming and it makes all fights pretty much scripted. Not sure if it works like that anymore but i assume it does and they even added telegraphs durning MoP for some enemies iirc(atleast some skills show visual animation on ground when being used).

[FizzleofHyperion]

Without baiting too much into the OP somethings are correct when it was turned into a WoW thing.

If you compare FFXIV to FFXI its very much a WoW Clone. WoW might be a bad term but i guess MMORPGs that are similiar to WoW with that simplicity.

Here are a few examples:

Weapons:

WoW/FFXIV = Jobs limited to one sort of weapon type creating a closed envoirment instead of giving an option that one job/class can use different weapon types.

FFXI = Almost all jobs could wear different weapons. example Paladins could use swords staffs greatswords daggers axes etc.

Gears:
WoW/FFXIV = very unpersonal gear stats that most jobs shared kinda like how FFXIV is now where you crit and det your life away.

FFXI = Gears had multiple stats and stuff that gave abilities boosts etc like 10% more cure potency -10% damage taken etc.

Magic spells:
WoW/FFXIV = Some spells are abilities and stuff are extremly a pattern to follow instead of beeing able to break a pattern and still do alot of damage.

FFXI = Most mage jobs have atleast 40+ magic spells. Even if people will complain now and you only use a few of the spells it really doesnt matter the feeling of getting an option to cast something else for once gives satisfaction instead of how black mage on FFXIV for example is just a silly ice and fire mage.. Where is the tornado and quake spells etc?

Dungeons:
WoW/FFXI = Instances/unpersonal DF envoirment.

FFXI = A whole huge map is your instance but other people outside your party can run by you and assist etc.

Gaming Envoirment

WoW/FFXIV = You can afford to not play with anyone until level 60 pretty much due to how the duty finder envoirment allows pretty much makes you a "solo" player because you are just an empy shell on your server because the DF is always there.

FFXI = After level 10 (before abyssea etc) you had to start playing with people and socialize most of the time its people you would wind up playing with over and over creating a very good social vibe maybe its a bit forced for its on own good but if you want to solo things why dont you play Dragons Age or something?

There is so much more to say but lets keep it simpel for now.

Again no one wants FFXI 2.0 but players didnt want FFXIV A WoW Clone Reborn either.
There will always be that one someone that says FFXI is still active why dont you go play that?
My answer that do that is WoW is still active aswell why are you here playing a WoW Clone?

People want the good things about FFXI wich made it so great not the bad stuff like waiting 6h in jeuno for group etc.

[Musashidon]

We can tell you guys time and time again we don't want XI-2, but that's what people keep translating our words to be

well you can only speak for yourself as the other thread *are we as players afraid of challenges* literally asks to make this game like ff11 was and make everything a pain annoying.

whenever anything about making the game harder or different people don't normally go oh i would just like this small thing they go hey get rid of enrage timers and let me come in with 600 people but make the boss scale super hard also make the gear horizonal and not vertical also get rid of flying.

i don't know how anyone is suppose to take that as not ff11 when it tells the game to complete 180 in another direction

People want the good things about FFXI wich made it so great not the bad stuff like waiting 6h in jeuno for group etc.

and we do things like that but then some people get mad when the content gets the ff14 twist of everyone is welcomed here and no competition is forced.

[Skivvy]

As my own experiment with FFXI continues, I will say two things:

1. I ran across some FFXI forum posts from 2014 while trying to figure out how to deal with the in-game map. The lines of thought being expressed were "I'm quitting because I can't get anywhere in this game after a month because all of the old-timers out there are so set in their ways they can't accomodate a SMN in the game" vs "You shouldn't have chosen such a stupid job in the first place, noob. You deserve to quit".

Nice, friendly community spirit being expressed there.

2. Everything in the game requires external research, even "what are your darn controls supposed to do". It took me 3 days to figure out that I didn't have to go into REGEDIT on Windows to configure the game graphics (although that was the response I found on the network from the more popular links). I still haven't figured out exactly how to talk to anyone else in-game who isn't in my immediate vicinity.

I remember how little reference to external sources I needed when playing WoW for the first time back in BC. The controls were either intuitive or well-explained through in-game quests to use them. And those quests weren't hard to discover. That's one reason why it remains a highly popular MMO out there.

It's not exactly fair to judge a game's community by what you will find online. Even with our XIV community, these forums are full of people who bad mouth people who can't do x, y and z, and there used to be a massive elitist feel to it - although the elitism seems to have died down a bit in recent times.


In regards to the new player experience on XI, let me copy pasta something I wrote on Reddit not that long ago:

I think XI is a fantastic game (still subbed), but it can still be incredibly confusing and difficult for new players. You are still more or less tossed into the world with no gil, there are no quest markers anywhere, NPCs give you little to no direction on anything, menus and macros are a challenge...

Now, if you can survive the first couple of weeks of thinking "why the hell did I buy this game?!", things will start to click and you'll really get the feel of XI.

The XI subreddit is quite helpful, and you can find plenty of helpful people in game as well. The xi wiki and bgwiki will be your friend. If you really are tempted, I would recommend Asura as that's probably the most active server you'll find these days.

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I would strongly recommend hopping over to XI subreddit for help, they're a pretty decent group over there.. As far as playing the game these days, for starters, you can get to end-game on just about any job. Some jobs may be slightly slower whilst leveling (thinking healers/support jobs here), but even those are rather quick with trusts. Most jobs can be worked into end-game these days, although there are still preferred jobs for the content.

Anyhoo, kudos for actually trying the game. It really is a bitch to new players, and I get that. If you have any questions, you can PM me on Reddit - Mabiche is the name. Or if you don't use reddit, I can give you another contact for something else. Don't want to take over this thread with actual XI chat/advice/etc.

[Istaru]

Again no one wants FFXI 2.0 but players didnt want FFXIV A WoW Clone Reborn either.
There will always be that one someone that says FFXI is still active why dont you go play that?
My answer that do that is WoW is still active aswell why are you here playing a WoW Clone?

People want the good things about FFXI wich made it so great not the bad stuff like waiting 6h in jeuno for group etc.

Take all my likes, please take them all. This sums of what some of us have been trying to tell people, but they don't want to listen.

I'm still pushing the like button to give you more of them