DPSing as a healer

[Seoulstar]

If people could just understand that others play differently than they do. That trying to justify insulting, controlling, and and making people feel like crap over something that isn't even mandatory..that is so little, that barely affects a dungeon isn't a good idea. This thread wouldn't be needed. As I keep saying, if a healer is going to dps. Let them do it at their own pace, calling them out on the forums and insulting them by calling them lazy, bad, etc isn't going to make them do it quicker. It will probably just discourage them even more. If people truly wanted to help those healers become better. They wouldn't be insulting them on the forums to begin with. You don't help people by making them feel like crap. At least I don't.

[FunkyBunch]

that barely affects a dungeon isn't a good idea.

It doesn't barely affect the dungeon, when I queue with a Healer friend EX takes 20-25 minutes. (I put up around 1k DPS as my undergeared NIN he puts up 500-700)
When I DF queue and the Healer stands around doing nothing it takes 30+ minutes.

We proved earlier that a Healer who ups his damage from 400 DPS to 800 DPS knocks about 3 minutes off a dungeon run with mediocre players.
So a zero DPS healer adds 6+ minutes to a dungeon run. (even more if the other classes are worse)
If everyone was as bad as the Healer who does zero DPS, it'd take you an hour to do a 25 minute duty. (or not even be able to in some cases)

You guys said we didn't ask. Then I asked, and now you're back to justifying bad play.

[Seoulstar]

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So basically this just boils down to people and their "precious" time being wasted. Also, if you're talking about when you asked one healer and they just said they're lazy..I'm sorry. But that's a terrible excuse. I guess I should assume every pusher that wants a healer to dps is just some ass who doesn't listen to anyone else and think they're right about everything. Of course it's silly to assume that and there are people who genuinely want to help someone become better...but I'm just not seeing that here.

[Taika]

So basically this just boils down to people and their "precious" time being wasted.

No, this boils down to being respectful towards your group members by actually contributing instead of doing nothing. What people are saying is doing nothing half the time is not an acceptable level of contribution or something that should be encouraged by saying "you're doing enough if everyone stays alive". Because very often doing absolutely nothing is enough for people to stay alive. Again:



And the related point is, that even if a person's active contribution of something isn't required to clear an instance, that's not a good reason to not actively contribute. You can clear any instance in the game with a BRD who doesn't sing or a tank who doesn't do any DPS, that doesn't mean that it's ok for them to not sing and not do any DPS, and most of all that's not a good argument to claim that they're playing well (or even well enough) if they refuse to do those things. Because saying that is actively encouraging bad play, and that doesn't benefit anyone.

[Seoulstar]

No, this boils down to being respectful towards your group members by actually contributing instead of doing nothing.

The thing is, the healer is still doing something. The healer is healing the team. They are still contributing to the team by keeping them alive. If you call that "doing nothing" then it's clear we have two different ideas on the same phrase. Either way, I still fail to understand why people are blowing this up to be something bigger than it needs to be. It's not a savage raid, it's just a dungeon. It's not going to kill you if you get a healer that doesn't dps and it's not them being disrespectful. I've encountered plenty of healers that didn't dps and politely asked if that was ok. And no one threw a fit over it. I wish the people in this thread could do the same.

[Taika]

The thing is, the healer is still doing something. The healer is healing the team. They are still contributing to the team by keeping them alive.

No, I mean literally doing nothing. As in not using actions, standing still or being on /follow on tank (like the SCH in my example). Because you aren't required to do anything at all for the whole party to survive way too many fights (or just AoE regen the party and regen the tank and then you could afk and everyone will be alive). So if you focus on just keeping your party alive in those fights or in those parts of the fight where no one is taking any damage, you are doing nothing. You are not contributing in any way.

And if you choose to heal when that's not required, you're at least doing something, but you're not doing something useful - in other words you're not contributing in a meaningful way. You're like a BLM who chooses to spam Physic on a full HP tank when you could and should be doing damage.