DPSing as a healer

[FunkyBunch]

Maybe I missed a few posts because I don't recall seeing any asking. Just basically dps as a healer or be called lazy, selfish, bad, etc. Or be told to change your role because you don't want to stance dance. Despite the fact it's not mandatory Personally, I have zero problem with dpsing as a healer. I dps whenever I can. But if I see another healer not dpsing? Oh well, it's not the end of the world. If they're keeping the party alive, that's my primary concern.

You missed many posts I think. And they ARE bad if they're not even up to the Hall of the Novice level. Performing at the Hall of the NOVICE tutorial level is the minimum level we should expect. If you cannot, pick another class or another game. No other class can perform worse than that and not get kicked. But that stupid green icon and "healer" makes everyone get their underwear in a knot when they're asked to do the ACTUAL minimum THAT THE GAME ITSELF ASKS YOU TO.

But it's not JUST here in the forums we're asking.
Two days ago, when I did EX Roulette, I asked if the Healer could please use Cleric Stance.
His response:
"Nah, I'm lazy"

[Fevelle]

"Nah, I'm lazy"

Maybe he was tired or just woke up? You guys make a mountain out of a molehill. Maybe it's a cultural thing, who knows, but personally I don't even pay attention to what healers are doing when I'm DPSing, as long as I'm alive. Too focused on doing my thing to bother with others.

All this "pick another class or another game" makes me think of players who leave clear parties after first wipe. He paid the same as you for the game, bad or good the player has the right to play whatever he wants, as long as he strives to improve. Be a little less arrogant and maybe people won't answer "Nah, I'm lazy" when you tell them what to do.

[Seoulstar]

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Yes, the hall of novice asks you to. But that does NOT mean it's mandatory. It will not decide whether or not you will live or die in the dungeon. It does not say if you don't dps, your entire party will wipe. I don't understand why something so little is such a major deal to some people. As I stated, a bad healer is someone that doesn't do their PRIMARY role. Not their secondary. If the person doesn't want to dps, so what? Just move on, it's not going to kill you. But apparently that seems to be way too difficult. Also, so over that one instance, that means every healer that doesn't dps is lazy? Of course not. There could be numerous reasons. Personally it's none of my business anyways. I'm just going to say this:
People play at their own pace, if they're going to dps as a healer, they will do so when they are comfortable. However long that takes. No amount of rants and insults will change that.

[Gemina]

You missed many posts I think. And they ARE bad if they're not even up to the Hall of the Novice level. Performing at the Hall of the NOVICE tutorial level is the minimum level we should expect. If you cannot, pick another class or another game. No other class can perform worse than that and not get kicked. But that stupid green icon and "healer" makes everyone get their underwear in a knot when they're asked to do the ACTUAL minimum THAT THE GAME ITSELF ASKS YOU TO.

You can clear HoN using only heals. I know because I just did it. So by your definition these players are not bad. HoN is seriously taken out of context.

[CookieMonsta]

You can clear HoN using only heals. I know because I just did it. So by your definition these players are not bad. HoN is seriously taken out of context.

I can clear HoN without oGCDs in DRG, whats your point? Would you rather I not use any oGCDs on my DRG in dungeons too cuz thats the minimum required?

[Gemina]

I can clear HoN without oGCDs in DRG, whats your point? Would you rather I not use any oGCDs on my DRG in dungeons too cuz thats the minimum required?

The point is right there in what you quoted, but it might help if you actually read the post from the poster I quoted, instead of just mine which you clearly did since you missed the point. Poster stated that players are bad if they can't perform at the HoN level. So I went and cleared it using only heals.

As for you, as long as your killing stuff and not yourself, you're a-ok in my book. I'm not going to tell you how to play YOUR job.

[CookieMonsta]

The point is right there in what you quoted, but it might help if you actually read the post from the poster I quoted, instead of just mine which you clearly did since you missed the point. Poster stated that players are bad if they can't perform at the HoN level. So I went and cleared it using only heals.

As for you, as long as your killing stuff and not yourself, you're a-ok in my book. I'm not going to tell you how to play YOUR job.

I'm not sure you understand how bad it is for a DRG to not use any oGCDs but OK let me rephrase. What if I did not use any cooldowns as a tank (including the stance btw)? since thats the bare minimum to pass HoN.

[Gemina]

I'm not sure you understand how bad it is for a DRG to not use any oGCDs but OK let me rephrase. What if I did not use any cooldowns as a tank (including the stance btw)? since thats the bare minimum to pass HoN.

And I think you are misunderstanding me. Being able to clear HoN only using heals is about as a great a feat as tying my shoes. But not everyone on this planet has an easy time tying their shoes do they? But they still have the right to wear them, would you agree? My point towards that other poster is that HoN is taken out of context. Don't let that counter any previous arguments of mine because it was a direct response to the other poster stating that players are bad if they can't perform at the HoN requirement. But the requirement to pass it is the bare minimum. DPSing in this instance only makes it go faster assuming you keep the tank and DPS NPCs alive, which IS what is required to pass it. They fall, you fail. This VERY same thing translates into most of the content in this game.

tl;dr HoN is irrelevant in determining player skill, and it is NOT telling healers to DPS. It encourages it. To take things further, despite the game telling you this, HoN gives you very little time to DPS. The incoming dmg in the final instance is actually quite considerable much like it is in the second or third tutorial (can't remember which) which has you constantly healing in order to pass it. HoN by FAR tells your ass to heal first, DPS second more than anything.

If you look up my lodestone, you will see that I don't even have lancer unlocked. So of course I don't understand how bad it is for DRG to not use oGCDs. I know nothing about your job so I am going to be the last person to tell you how to play it. What I do know is that your role in my party is DPS, and my expectations of you pertain to that role, not your job. I understand that if you optimize your job, you optimize your role in party play. S long as your DMG output is good enough to meet checks, you're attentive to attacking the appropriate target, and generally stay out of AoE (I know we all get hit by it here and there), that is all I require. And i will consider you a good player. But if you do MORE than that. You optimize field position, timed jumps, combo execution and also add a little touch of your own spice to end something brilliant? You're Kain Highwind to me. And I most certainly do not expect everyone to be Kain, but appreciate those who strive to be.

Bad players to me deliberately eff sh*t up. They go into instances knowing that they can do actually LESS than what is required because they know at least one player will pick up their slack, and carry them through. I mean this is seriously really crappy behaviour. I believe it should be a banable offense. But to label a healer who doesn't DPS this kind of player? The mere thought of it is just so ridiculous to me. smh.