Make FFXIV more like FFXI and less like WoW!

[Velhart]

Unfortunately right now the game is the exact opposite of this. Just like everything up to now, come patch 3.4, everything not labeled "Savage" or "Extreme" will hand out trophies for participation. In my opinion this is the biggest problem we have.

Honestly, with Normal mode being there, Savage should always be ilvl synced. Make the title, achievement, and mount/minion, and gear despite being outdated still be something to be proud of. SCoB Savage's titles mean nothing because you can jump in at unsynced lv.60 and destroy all four turns.

This would keep this content in it's challenging state even if we jumped into 5.0.

If this is all that you've garnered from the thread, it would seem you've only been skimming and coming to your own random conclusions.

Is he wrong?

[Kosmos992k]

Honestly, with Normal mode being there, Savage should always be ilvl synced. Make the title, achievement, and mount/minion, and gear despite being outdated still be something to be proud of. SCoB Savage's titles mean nothing because you can jump in at unsynced lv.60 and destroy all four turns.

This would keep this content in it's challenging state even if we jumped into 5.0.

Level and ilvl sync is like the red-headed stepchild in this game despite being potentially one of it's greatest assets. Pretty strict ilvl and level sync ought to remain in force on savage and EX content for a minimum of 4 patches and rather than unsyncing the content after that, the ilvl/level synch should be relaxed a fair bit, and that's how it should stay forever more. That way, the actual difficulty of the Savage/EX content is somewhat preserved for a complete year or more, and afterwards, although it's made more accessible, it becomes much easier due to the much more relaxed sync.

Content in general has been poorly served buy the level sync, the addition of an unsync'doption ought to also have coincided with a tighter sync in general to restore some of the challenge of early content. For players claiming to do things for the challenge this should not be a problem, and for players who don't want to be syncd thhey don't have to be. Everybody wins.

[LineageRazor]

Is he wrong?

Well... yeah, he's pretty much wrong. As was mentioned, not having the l33test equipment did not exclude you from anything in FFXI. Therefore, it's silly to assume that folks waxing nostalgic about FFXI itemization are looking for an excuse to exclude people.

[Sandpark]

Well... yeah, he's pretty much wrong. As was mentioned, not having the l33test equipment did not exclude you from anything in FFXI. Therefore, it's silly to assume that folks waxing nostalgic about FFXI itemization are looking for an excuse to exclude people.

Now wanting a 1 for 1 copy here in XIV. But I wouldn't mind somethings carrying over. But yeah, no ilvl there, only time you got excluded from stuff was hardest of the hardcore endgame or if you were an assh-hat.

[Welsper59]

Well... yeah, he's pretty much wrong. As was mentioned, not having the l33test equipment did not exclude you from anything in FFXI. Therefore, it's silly to assume that folks waxing nostalgic about FFXI itemization are looking for an excuse to exclude people.

Before Abyssea (and sort of during), gear really wasn't as important as people made it out to be. We could gear up with stuff you buy from the AH, and some stuff which was bought was still extremely useful in endgame content for many years (e.g. elemental staves). Part of the reason on that though was because of the lack of much gear with special and secondary stats. Ahh the days when whiffing and resistances was part of endgame because of there only being a handful of accuracy boosting gear/items lol.

So yeah, I agree, the guy is pretty much wrong on the matter. Relics were the end-all weapons of the game for a period, but they were NEVER necessary to complete content and rarely seen as a requirement among groups. Today is a different matter, since it absolutely is a practically mandatory thing to have an REM weapon (especially shield if PLD), but I'd wager practically no one here plays XI anyway now. Especially because if anyone did use that as a means to point out something bad here, it'd have to be said that you can solo your way to it now, or if you're rich enough, buy your way for most of a relic or empy.

Now wanting a 1 for 1 copy here in XIV. But I wouldn't mind somethings carrying over. But yeah, no ilvl there, only time you got excluded from stuff was hardest of the hardcore endgame or if you were an assh-hat.

Technically ilvl has always existed there, if the current model is anything to take away from how the old worked. There were clearly better stat equips of the same level, back then. Hell, the most obvious being the HQ equips. We were just never given the visual representation of it.

[Sandpark]

Technically ilvl has always existed there, if the current model is anything to take away from how the old worked. There were clearly better stat equips of the same level, back then. Hell, the most obvious being the HQ equips. We were just never given the visual representation of it.

One HQ isn't a Ilvl. Ilvl raises incrementally every few months. If that were true there would be a Normal, HQ, HQ+1, HQ+2,HQ+3, etc, etc.