DPSing as a healer

[CookieMonsta]

If you're a WHM in Antitower, you owe it to yourself and the party to at least use the swiftcast Holy + Assize combo to immediately break out both DPS when Dollhouse is used the first time. It immediately frees both DPS, assuming they're close enough to each other.

It's actually hilarious how a WHM can break the dolls faster than actual DPS classes. WHM burst damage is insane, to the point where I don't understand why any WHM would ever use Assize while not being in Cleric Stance (except for certain raid situations where you need that instant cast AoE cure). 300 potency AoE damage is up there with the likes of Dragonfire Dive and all.

Lol, my static WHM hit 2K DPS in A6S last night. The WHM burst opener is incredible, you'd be stupid not to abuse it. For the naysayers who say healer DPS is optional, imagine a 5th person in the group that can open up to 2000 DPS additionally alongside the actual DPS.

[Atoli]

In general you should manage you Mana in a way so that you do NEVER run out of MP, OP^^
You have various tools to get MP back. If you run out of MP despite the usage of those tools while only healing (which your scenario implies), you are doing something wrong anyway, like using heals that are too big for the situation.

As for DPSing - of course don't do it to the point where you run out of MP. If you are on top of your MP management, no matter how long a fight takes, you won't run out of MP even if you DPS, as long as you don't constantly attack.

[FunkyBunch]

SNIP
. Are they doing enough to at least clear content within the timer limit? If yes, move on and leave them be. I hate that when these kicks come up my vote is always null because only 2 people can kick someone even if the fourth member disagrees with their reasons.

No, we don't leave them be, because this is a group game and they're causing problems by being terrible.
It's ONLY healers that make this excuse, that "we're clearing who cares if it takes 20 extra minutes LOL". If a DPS just auto-attacked (the equivalent of a healer just healing) you'd not be able to clear most content. If everyone played at the healer minimum, you'd never clear the first boss before the time ran out on the dungeon.

I just don't understand why ONLY healers think it's okay to be bad and everyone should lay off of them.

[Fevelle]

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A DPS playing at bare minimum is equal to doing just enough damage to clear the content within the timer. If he's doing it, I think you should leave him be too. I've had so many horrible runs in so many types of content (like Weeping City last week where every person in my party except for me had Brink of Death from raising) and I never felt like they needed to be kicked. You know who I think should be kicked? People who start teaching other's job without being asked to and/or harassing less skilled players.

EDIT: And no, I'm not a saint, of course I get pissed off by people dying to avoidable damage or not doing enough damage for the run to be fast and smooth, but kicking someone is a last resort for me. I don't feel I have the right to remove someone from a content just because I think they don't have enough skill.

[Judge_Xero]

I just don't understand why ONLY healers think it's okay to be bad and everyone should lay off of them.

Because your life is in their hands bahaha hah. Waaa waaaa.

But no. Don't generalize that way of thinking to be a healer thing. It's a player thing through and through it just so happens that players with less available skill choose the healer role as a free pass. There's still tons of bad DPS and Tanks.

[technole]

Lol, my static WHM hit 2K DPS in A6S last night. The WHM burst opener is incredible, you'd be stupid not to abuse it. For the naysayers who say healer DPS is optional, imagine a 5th person in the group that can open up to 2000 DPS additionally alongside the actual DPS.

It's a fun time for WHM/AST burst DPS in A6S with those Blaster mirages and Swindler adds. Plus our AoE stun (along with ACC melds) ends up being very useful.

[FunkyBunch]

People who start teaching other's job without being asked

I disagree here. I think if you know a better way to do something you should tell them but in a not being a jerk way. Otherwise how do they learn?
The other parts I agree with. Sort of. I won't kick someone just because they're terrible.
But that said, I think a DPS auto-attacking and not being able to clear the content is the same as a healer standing around doing nothing. You can't beat content in a reasonable amount of time if two people are doing the minimum. And that's the problem, you get a bad healer who thinks he's fine and a bad DPS who thinks he's fine and suddenly your clear time goes from 20 mins to over an hour if you can complete it at all.

Yes there are bad other classes, but it's the bad healers that are the most prevalent and most noticeable and the most stubborn. The amount of times I've given advice to bad BLM (100+, seriously I have the advice in a macro now) severely outnumbers the times I've given advice to a healer and I had EXACTLY ONE BLM not thank me for the suggestion and that one insisted on playing poorly (sleep, freeze etc on level 60 content).
I've seen advice given to maybe 20 healers and had every single one refuse to even listen. The nicest one said "If I feel comfortable I will try Cleric Stance" (he had all three healer classes and only healer classes to lvl 60) and then proceeded to not do anything the entire run as his faerie was able to heal the whole thing. That's not to say more healers didn't need advice, but when it was brought up it was never a good experience.

[Fevelle]

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This might be more about personality and/or mental state, a lot of people tend to be very defensive about critics, be it for anxiety or because they're just rude.

[mp-please]

You know who I think should be kicked? People who start teaching other's job without being asked to and/or harassing less skilled players.

Its up to the community to teach the community, that's why the mentor system exists even though it's a massive failure in the west because players are stubborn as hell and don't want to improve.

If you're at work and someone gets up to you and tells you to do x in y way so you do the task better are you going to reply with a "it's my salary i'll work the way i want" too?

[Fevelle]

Its up to the community to teach the community, that's why the mentor system exists even though it's a massive failure in the west because players are stubborn as hell and don't want to improve.

If you're at work and someone gets up to you and tells you to do x in y way so you do the task better are you going to reply with a "it's my salary i'll work the way i want" too?

This is not work, no one is paying you to play, on the contrary. That argument would be valid if we were talking e-sports.