Fat Moogle Mount on Mogstation!

[DarkStaoneDragon]

ok, just stop with the "go f2p already" talk, have you seen f2p MMO's? if you think RMT /tell's are bead now, insted of it being the normal 1-3 upon log in it'll be 15-20, I have played my fair share of f2p MMO's and they all have 1 thing in common, evil items, over powered gear, random boxes that has a 0.4% chance of getting that shiny mount you want, exp boost, stat boost items and other items that would be impossible to get otherwise.

People want to call a mount a pay-to-win that doesn't offer a stat boost of any kind has no idea of what a pay-to-win item is, I had this happen in a f2p game, I got challenged to a duel by a lvl 13 at the time I was lvl 25, my gear was level 22-25 enhanced crafted gear, he had level 10 CS gear, I lost due to the gear, it had double to triple the stats my gear had, thats a pay-to-win item.

I was originally against the cash shop, if it wasn't for the cash shop I would have to remake my character everytime I changed races (and be in 2.1 MSQ), also I do have the Slepinir mount, but I still use my trusty chocobo, now the items on the mogstation isn't evil items I think the items could be brought in-game, but at least this way people could buy a mount or glamour gear and not have to grind days, weeks or months for it.

[Skivvy]

But this is precisely what i was trying to explain!
My complaint against this thread was that people are passing feelings and assumptions as absolute facts.
Hack, in some messages they even claim that only the ignorant and uncaring could ever possibly disagree with their conclusions and i find their to be ridiculous, as again, it´s not based on facts.

You spin a fancy tale. You have twisted and manipulated so many comments in this thread, it's amazing. Don't try and act like the reasonable one now.

[Teryaani]

But this is precisely what i was trying to explain!
My complaint against this thread was that people are passing feelings and assumptions as absolute facts.
Hack, in some messages they even claim that only the ignorant and uncaring could ever possibly disagree with their conclusions and i find their to be ridiculous, as again, it´s not based on facts.

Sure, and those people aren't worth bothering with. Admittedly I replied to one of the "I'm going to make fun of people who buy that thing!", mainly to point out that that would be harassment. It was an effort to hopefully keep the person from wrecking someone else's day.

Mixed in with those posters are far more people saying that there are lines they don't want SE to cross and that's probably a good thing for Square to know. Just so we're clear, we're in the same camp. Facts rarely change feelings in an argument though.

[SagaSoluna]

You spin a fancy tale. You have twisted and manipulated so many comments in this thread, it's amazing. Don't try and act like the reasonable one now.

Prove your accusations against me or stop attacking me personally.
I am getting tired of being called a liar and a manipulator by you, every other page.

[Skivvy]

Prove your accusations against me or stop attacking me personally.
I am getting tired of being called a liar and a manipulator by you, every other page.

Well, my favorite so far has been your gross misinterpretation of my comment, and your following response:

You sound like them Tumblr Feminists
"If you don´t agree with me you don´t know any better"

Pathetic and saddening, literally.

I mean, clearly you are far better than the rest of us. You would never stoop to personal attacks.

[Melorie]

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Except no one told that it's p2w. But do not treat cosmetics itens as useless items that you can cashgrab, f2p mmos do it because they're free already. These items are a huge part of the game and it's obvious that people care about them. And yeah, I have no problem with having recolours, but exclusive items no. There are people that don't wanna work for a thing but there are those that want. SE could've released it in-game and a recolour after and them make both people happy but they decided to take the other and worse route.

[Jetstream_Fox]

ok, just stop with the "go f2p already" talk, have you seen f2p MMO's? if you think RMT /tell's are bead now, insted of it being the normal 1-3 upon log in it'll be 15-20

Come to Jenova, you get spammed rmt every 10 seconds at times.

[Chalbee]

...So you discarded all of their opinions as invalid.

Please see my earlier post RE: opinion vs. assertion. It is fair game to criticize baseless speculation which is used to back an assertion. As a matter of fact, invalidating your opponent's arguments is the entire point of debate. If you don't want to be invalidated, don't build truth statements on shaky premises. De gustibus non est disputandum. De veritate disputandum est!

[Teryaani]

Please see my earlier post RE: opinion vs. assertion. It is fair game to criticize baseless speculation which is used to back an assertion. As a matter of fact, invalidating your opponent's arguments is the entire point of debate. If you don't want to be invalidated, don't build truth statements on shaky premises. De gustibus non est disputandum. De veritate disputandum est!

Except that that particular "speculation" includes, as mentioned previously, the leveling pot. Which wasn't baseless as the producer of the game himself brought it up as a possibility. So referring to all of people prior as making a baseless claim is false. In addition, citing trends in comparable products is a perfectly valid approach to speculation - not baseless.

Citing it as fact? No, but neither are they wild speculations.

[SagaSoluna]

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I did not "misrepresent your comment", you literally said:

For those who are OK with our current cash shop - is it just that you've never experienced any alternative? As mentioned earlier, my first MMO was XI and I didn't know what cash shops were until I branched out to F2P games (yeaaaars down the road). I suppose if this is your first MMO, or you've only played newer games, you would know no better. This obviously won't be the case for everyone. Just a shower thought.

Adding "i know it does not apply to everyone" makes your post sound as much less condescending as "i mean no offense but..." makes a post less offensive.

You proposed that those people that disagreed with you did so out of their lack of experience and / or ignorance and that´s low.

Furthermore, you claim i have "twisted and manipulated" a big amount of comments yet you post only one.

I am still waiting for the cascade of manipulation you claim i caused.