DPSing as a healer

[Tsumes]

This case seems to be less about the effectiveness of a healer DPSing and more so on the fact that people can't stand seeing someone in the group standing around doing nothing. Which is fine. I guess. If that's your style of play. But you should in NO WAY. Try to FORCE your style of play on to someone else. Regardless of it's effectiveness.

Personally, I don't care if people get annoyed by my just standing there. My job is to keep the group alive, and I'm extremely good at it. If you're going to pay $15/mo to play a game. You shouldn't let someone else dictate how you should enjoy it.

Not Unrelated:
Reminds me of a similar case in another MMO where players expected healers to DPS. Eventually they stopped wanting healers entirely. New bosses were added that required healers. But due to the "healers aren't needed" tactic. They were literally non-existent. So players complained. Not even noticing or caring that they(the community) literally did it to themselves.

[FunkyBunch]

This case seems to be less about the effectiveness of a healer DPSing and more so on the fact that people can't stand seeing someone in the group standing around doing nothing. Which is fine. I guess. If that's your style of play. But you should in NO WAY. Try to FORCE your style of play on to someone else. Regardless of it's effectiveness.

Personally, I don't care if people get annoyed by my just standing there. My job is to keep the group alive, and I'm extremely good at it. If you're going to pay $15/mo to play a game. You shouldn't let someone else dictate how you should enjoy it.

We have one requirement: Be better than a bot, that's all we're asking. A bot can stand around and do nothing and still keep the group alive. Heck, EOS/Selene can do that in every dungeon. Be better than a faerie. According to you though, they're EXTREMELY good at their job.
TBH I'd rather have my chocobo than a healer who stands around for most of the fight making sure no one goes below 95% HP. At least my chocobo will DPS in between heals. Be better than a chocobo.

People just want you to play how your class was designed. Do the Hall of the Novice again. It specifically states to DPS when people don't need healing.

[_slowpoke_]

If you're going to pay $15/mo to play a game. You shouldn't let someone else dictate how you should enjoy it.

This is a horrible mentality in a cooperative multiplayer game, and you're an extremely selfish person if you think that's an argument in any way. Also, if we follow your argument to the logical conclusion, then the $45-$345 that the rest of the players you play with pay every month outweigh your $15, anyway. If you want to play however you want, please go play solo or, even better, play any of the countless offline singleplayer games out there.

[Tsumes]

This is a horrible mentality in a cooperative multiplayer game, and you're an extremely selfish person if you think that's an argument in any way.

I am selfish. I realized this decades ago. It's my life and no one's going to live it for me, even if they could.

I've been playing with my AST for the better part of 3 months now. In my very brief experience. It makes ZERO since to juggle cleric stance in the middle of an instance.
By the time I get through a single cast, the mob is either dead or down to the point where it makes little to no difference what so ever. If healers were meant to DPS they wouldn't have 2 different stats and a skill to dictate usefulness. You also wouldn't need an extra DPS class in the group. Why not just run with 1 tank, 1 healer and 1 DPS. Because apparently Healers are the new DPSes. Makes a lot of sense. You wouldn't ask a DPS to tank would you? No , doubt it. Why not? Because that's not his class. Why is it always different for healers?

Feel free to show me hard numbers that shows an AST in cleric stance doing damage that speeds up group progress and I'd gladly retract my statement. But casting just to make yourself look busy is more wasteful and useless then just standing there.

TLR. Unless you're dying. Don't tell the healer how to play his/her class.

[Taika]

Feel free to show me hard numbers that shows an AST in cleric stance doing damage that speeds up group progress and I'd gladly retract my statement.

It's not allowed to post parses on these forums but check FFlogs for healer parses and be amazed.

[FunkyBunch]

I am selfish. I realized this decades ago. It's my life and no one's going to live it for me, even if they could.

I've been playing with my AST for the better part of 3 months now. In my very brief experience. It makes ZERO since to juggle cleric stance in the middle of an instance.
By the time I get through a single cast, the mob is either dead or down to the point where it makes little to no difference what so ever. If healers were meant to DPS they wouldn't have 2 different stats and a skill to dictate usefulness. You also wouldn't need an extra DPS class in the group. Why not just run with 1 tank, 1 healer and 1 DPS. Because apparently Healers are the new DPSes. Makes a lot of sense. You wouldn't ask a DPS to tank would you? No , doubt it. Why not? Because that's not his class. Why is it always different for healers?

Feel free to show me hard numbers that shows an AST in cleric stance doing damage that speeds up group progress and I'd gladly retract my statement. But casting just to make yourself look busy is more wasteful and useless then just standing there.

Here:
https://www.fflogs.com/reports/C9Nyh...pe=damage-done
17:51
https://www.fflogs.com/reports/LFhyw...pe=damage-done
21:50

The healer in the first group contributed 368 more DPS and had an 18% shorter clear time.
The difference between the DPS+tank classes of both groups was only a total of 51.2 DPS (which if you transfer the healer DPS in the second group of 62.2 to a DPS to make them more even you have a perfect example of how a non-DPSing healer significantly increases clear time).

To explain another way, there's a 419 DPS difference between the groups and the first group had a 430 DPS healer. Yet they were able to perform 18% faster.
So to summarize, healing DPS make a big difference. Roughly 0.72 of an extra person. All other things being equal.

[Taika]

So to summarize, healing DPS make a big difference. Roughly 0.72 of an extra person.

Additionally, it's not at all unusual (unfortunately) for healers to out-DPS DDs in 4 person dungeons, 24 person content or trials. And even if the DDs in the group are really good, healer DPS is still really valuable for total group DPS.