Make 'Mentor' status reportable

[LunaFaye]

However it should be noted that just cus a person is a Mentor, they won't know the ins and outs of every single dungeon/trial. You can ask but they may just say "I don't recall this at all"

And the system should detect that and kick the person right away. I don't care if the mentor roulette gives out a mount, it could give out a ilvl 500 weapon I still wouldn't care, but the moment I am stuck with 5 morons in 1 party and 3 of them are mentors that paid for a clear or bought the account, that's when it becomes a problem and I can't be bothered to drag those people through the roulette.

[Fynlar]

And the system should detect that and kick the person right away.

Not going to happen. Mentors are just people, they aren't machines. If the mentor roulette threw me into Ultima HM tomorrow, I can pretty much guarantee you I wouldn't remember the fight. The last time I did it synced was probably over a year ago. If you think I'm gonna remember every mechanic of that fight, you're nuts.

You need to adjust your expectations a little bit, otherwise you're going to continue to be disappointed.

[Drkdays]

Whenever you put a reward at the end of something people will flock to it regardless.PvP Glamour? Expect bad or uncaring people to flock to PVP just to get it. Same with mentor, some people have zero interest in helping, they just want the shiny reward at the end. However it should be noted that just cus a person is a Mentor, they won't know the ins and outs of every single dungeon/trial. You can ask but they may just say "I don't recall this at all"

Making it easier to get the PvP gear as a glam and adding other PvP related rewards helped PvP by making the queue time shorter since more ppl were actually interested in doing it, just like with mentor roulette. Adding a long term reward helps reduce wait times. After that, it's all about who you get. And while not all mechanics can be easily remembered if not seen often, a mentor is expected to be able deal with whatever comes at them with at least some competency. If you encounter a mentor who lacks the will to be helpful and provides no efficiency to the run, then you should kick them. But just because you have a mentor who is stone silent, you can at least expect them to understand their job.

[Sil3ntxR3qui3m]

Are you asking for tips in your dungeons? Or are you expecting unsolicited advice?
Even new players sometimes like to learn as they go.

... you expect mentors to know everything and that they must supply this information to you in advance.

This. If you don't speak up, I will assume you've watched a video, read a guide, or just want to try facerolling it and see what happens. I don't want to be up in your face telling you what to do unless you specifically ask for it. Maybe that's just the kind of person I am. I'm not doing it for the mount or the roulette. I think I've only done the roulette a couple of times. I genuinely want to help people, but I get that others aren't in it for that. Things end up that way sometimes.

Tbh, I find more people berating me for explaining mechanics because they think they know it right even after I've copied and pasted off the wiki or something. There are pros and cons to giving advice.

[WinterLuna]

Tbh, I find more people berating me for explaining mechanics because they think they know it right even after I've copied and pasted off the wiki or something. There are pros and cons to giving advice.

This this this. And if being a Mentor becomes reportable for not giving advice off the bat? I'll gladly hand in my Mentor status. I love to help, but I won't be treated like crap either.

[VanillaWafer]

I've recently became a Mentor right when I got DRK to 60. I've always wanted to be a Mentor as I really enjoy helping people in general. Now, being that I'm very new to the whole endgame content as a Tank, I know I will have my slip ups. I'm only human after all. But the crown next to my name makes people expect I know what I'm doing.

Yesterday's Mentor Roulette was the Odin Fight for me. I know everything there is to know about the Urth's Fount fight as a healer and as a DPS. (And I actually mentioned this while in the fight.) But still being a bit new to tanking old content, I knew jack squat on what I'm supposed to do as a Dark Knight. I was only trying to learn and get comfortable tanking. Well, long story short, it didn't end well for the 4 first timers, either. Even after explaining the mechanics to them.

Because of this experience, I feel that the Mentor system could have had more prerequisites in order to become an actual Mentor. For example: complete some of the more important dungeons, raids, and trials as each role. Each instance must be Synced as you'll be doing them anyway in the Mentor Roulette. It would prepare you to what's to come.

That way, when you do become a Mentor, you have very little room for error to happen. But then again, we are human, so we're prone to make mistakes here and there. It's unavoidable.

Going on topic here, I don't want people to think make the assumption that I'm in the Mentor system for a Mount based on how I'm screwing up in something. But I rather have SE tweak the prerequisites so there would be even less crappy players.

[DynamoAce]

I personally feel that if a Mentor has mentor status but there are certain things that they might not know/are not very good with, then that's fine they're only human not perfect machines. We all have things we might not be good at and no one said a Mentor has to be 100% perfect.

I think that what's not okay however, is when a Mentor will outright refuse a newbie any help/advice simply because they feel it's a waste or are throwing the "gitgud m8" mentality at you.

[Rhyku]

It's so scary how the community thinks we mentors must know everything 1000% or " kill the mentor! Remove their status!!" Don't know the cd of a boss attack? REPORT THIS FAKE MENTOR! -_-

Seriously, is the community so hell bent on a witch hunt? Granted there are black sheeps in the mentors ranks, but to tar every single of them with the same brush is just being judgemental. IMO? There's seriously no reason for mentor system to exist outside of a shiny crown. SE should have never initiated this to begin with. Intentions were good, but implementation has gone horridly wrong. Might be time to scrap this. As many have said before, you don't need a crown to teach newbies.

[DynamoAce]

I kinda want to suggest that instead of making it so Mentors can be reported, maybe have a Feedback option instead. Granted that people could still try to turn that into a "Let's badmouth the mentor in every way possible because they didn't follow our possibly crazy expectations". So it might be broken...but maybe someone else has ideas for that?

[AlphaFox]

And the system should detect that and kick the person right away. I don't care if the mentor roulette gives out a mount, it could give out a ilvl 500 weapon I still wouldn't care, but the moment I am stuck with 5 morons in 1 party and 3 of them are mentors that paid for a clear or bought the account, that's when it becomes a problem and I can't be bothered to drag those people through the roulette.

That is not even close to what I was talking about. What I mean is we are human, we forget or some of us may have only done the dungeon/trial once. I cleared Levi Ex a few time and that was unsync'd, had no real reason to do it again after I got my mount. Fast forward months later and my first Mentor is Levi Ex sync'd. I had a vague memory of it but tried anyway. Basically, we can't expect mentors to be people who know every single thing. They are normal people just like you.

Making it easier to get the PvP gear as a glam and adding other PvP related rewards helped PvP by making the queue time shorter since more ppl were actually interested in doing it, just like with mentor roulette. Adding a long term reward helps reduce wait times. After that, it's all about who you get. And while not all mechanics can be easily remembered if not seen often, a mentor is expected to be able deal with whatever comes at them with at least some competency. If you encounter a mentor who lacks the will to be helpful and provides no efficiency to the run, then you should kick them. But just because you have a mentor who is stone silent, you can at least expect them to understand their job.

The point I am trying to make is just because you have a reward at the end your going to attract all kinds of people, some who are willing to help fulfill what the main point of the roulette is for and those who could care less about the status and only want the reward. People complain about the wait times for PvP, yet throw in rewards and suddenly its "Were getting newbs who don't care and are just here for the reward!" Which I admit I fall into the category myself PvP wise, I do try but I am not gonna be as hardcore as the rest who actually enjoy it so I know I am bringing them down. Same goes for mentors who run the roulette but have zero interest in helping and will even kick the newbies or ditch if it means speeding it up. I will admit I think if your going to wear the Mentor crown you do need to compose yourself a bit better and set a good example but again falling into the "Some do it for X, some do it for Y"