[MCH Request] Is it possible to have the 30 second ammo time-out removed?

[Syll]

Greetings, gunslingers of Eorzea!

We've received quite a fair amount of feedback regarding the duration of the Ammunition effect, and plan to make adjustments to this in the future. While changes are still in development, we welcome any additional thoughts you may have and request that the machinists of the realm please look forward to it.

Every time I see Dark Arts I'm reminded that that mechanic was how ammo was SUPPOSED to work, and it makes me both sad and jealous...

It also explains the original QR CD, as well as the timer on ammo. Personally I'd rather be back to the old QR timer, and have the multiple barrel attachments and ammo effects that MCH was purportedly getting, prior to HW release.

Edit: even if it was watered down versions, like Ammo boosting Hot shot buff to 10%, or raising Lead shot DoT potency.... really I want ammo to do something more than '+20 potency. Woo.'

[Rose-Wild]

This is a great quality of life change.

[seekified]

Every time I see Dark Arts I'm reminded that that mechanic was how ammo was SUPPOSED to work, and it makes me both sad and jealous...

It also explains the original QR CD, as well as the timer on ammo. Personally I'd rather be back to the old QR timer, and have the multiple barrel attachments and ammo effects that MCH was purportedly getting, prior to HW release.

Edit: even if it was watered down versions, like Ammo boosting Hot shot buff to 10%, or raising Lead shot DoT potency.... really I want ammo to do something more than '+20 potency. Woo.'

Indeed, whatever happened to these "attachments"? It made the job sound positively awesome. It's still fun, but in a very different way.

[Greedalox]

Indeed, whatever happened to these "attachments"? It made the job sound positively awesome. It's still fun, but in a very different way.

They either didn't have time to implement them when 3.0 launched or they flatly couldn't get them to function in a way they were pleased with.

[MicahZerrshia]

please look forward to it.

Famous last words on a topic.

[RiceisNice]

They either didn't have time to implement them when 3.0 launched or they flatly couldn't get them to function in a way they were pleased with.

They scrapped it because they didn't like the idea of having multiple attachment design for each weapon, not that it stopped them from doing gauss barrel for all weapons (and taking away the novelty of it being an "atachment" since BRD has the exact same skill). At least thats what I recall in a liveletter.

Eitherway, I'm just not pleased with the result we got; it's sharing too many parallels with BRD even before WM/GB, now it's just...bleh.

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

If magic can be "stacked" (Aetherflow), I see no reason physical Ammunition can't be.

[Jonnycbad]

If magic can be "stacked" (Aetherflow), I see no reason physical Ammunition can't be.

Aetherflow is not very much like ammo at all. Many of SCH and SMN's core abilities are gated behind Aetherflow. MCH gets 50% proc for their combo. SCH can't use Lustrate/Sacred Soil/Bane/Energy Drain/Indomitability without an Aetherflow stack and some of these are extremely important for raids. None of MCH's abilities are gated behind ammo.

[NovaLevossida]

Aetherflow is not very much like ammo at all. Many of SCH and SMN's core abilities are gated behind Aetherflow. MCH gets 50% proc for their combo. SCH can't use Lustrate/Sacred Soil/Bane/Energy Drain/Indomitability without an Aetherflow stack and some of these are extremely important for raids. None of MCH's abilities are gated behind ammo.

I don't see the relevance between what you posted and the point of ammo having a timer on it vs. aetherflow not having a timer. SMN ends up having a timer going toward dreadwyrm, but the difference is 1) they can extend it with each further use of an aetherflow ability and 2) the timer is only set in motion when using an ability, not for having the stacks sitting around. And, on that note, MCH's ammo has a smaller timer set into it to get the bonus on the next attack that isn't likely to last between phase transitions or between packs of mobs, and there is also no way to extend the timer on the proc nor on the ammo stack.

So I don't see the relevance in pointing out "aetherflow is different than ammo" when the relevant point is "ammo functions much worse than aetherflow."

[RiceisNice]

If magic can be "stacked" (Aetherflow), I see no reason physical Ammunition can't be.

If we're talking about a lore perspective, it's not physical ammunition we're loading, it's aetherically generated ammo through your lunchbox. The charge fades over time.

So I don't see the relevance in pointing out "aetherflow is different than ammo" when the relevant point is "ammo functions much worse than aetherflow."

The functionality of DWT and ammo are two completely different things. If you're not seeing the relevance, then you're looking at it wrong or taking the quote completely out of context. Honestly the timer just feels like a leftover of what they had intentionally wanted ammo to be; a resource to fuel abilties or to gain access to ablities, and the duration necessitated proper management (akin to DWT), instead of what we have now which essentially tells you to slam it whenever it comes off cooldown.