[MCH Request] Is it possible to have the 30 second ammo time-out removed?

[Cabalabob]

There's also the aspect in PvP of going in with full ammo and both reload abilities off cooldown rather than refreshing it (and not having Q.reload off cooldown).

But eh. It's not big of enough of a QoL improvement for me to push for it.

If you use quick reload by the time it's off CD you will still have 15 seconds on ammo, it also takes 12 seconds to use a full stack of ammo, meaning there is literally a 3 second window where you could use all your ammo and possibly not have quick reload off cooldown (most of which will be spent on the global cooldown) leaving about 0.5 seconds where you need to wait for quick reload to come off CD before you can shoot. Is this incredibly tiny niche possibility really a reason not to take the timer off?

[RiceisNice]

If you use quick reload by the time it's off CD you will still have 15 seconds on ammo, it also takes 12 seconds to use a full stack of ammo, meaning there is literally a 3 second window where you could use all your ammo and possibly not have quick reload off cooldown (most of which will be spent on the global cooldown) leaving about 0.5 seconds where you need to wait for quick reload to come off CD before you can shoot. Is this incredibly tiny niche possibility really a reason not to take the timer off?

It's likewise the same reason why we should take it off (how much of an effect it'd have). I'm just throwing it out there for people who say there's absolutely no effect on actual gameplay when there's still the aspect of PvP and frontlines; it'd speed up my burst by a entire oGCD if I was able to jump into battle with full ammo at hand and still have a backup reload if I get OIP'd.

I know I was there. What I am asking is why the developers believe that a timer should be on ammo. I don't think you add a timer to something like that without reason.

Most likely a carryover from what they initially had MCH planned to be; they mentioned ammo being required for specific abilities and reload having it's own niche (as in, not something you'd use off cooldown but rather being planned for something). There's so many ideas they scrapped from the initial previews there's a quite a bit of stuff left over from it that annoys me about the class design in general.

[NovaLevossida]

If I can AFK all day with three Aetherflow stacks, you shouldn't lose ammo stacks after 30 seconds.

[MagiusNecros]

Ammo stacks shouldn't be timed. And if you quick reload on a stack of 5 it does stay at 5. It should indeed be like Aetherflow.

[Velhart]

I am more interested in why a timer is in there to begin with more than asking to remove it.

[CGMidlander]

I am more interested in why a timer is in there to begin with more than asking to remove it.

Machinists were a bit different at release. Quick Reload's values were changed to what it is now in Patch 3.07
http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...7aff5b99d9fb32

[Velhart]

Machinists were a bit different at release. Quick Reload's values were changed to what it is now in Patch 3.07
http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...7aff5b99d9fb32

I know I was there. What I am asking is why the developers believe that a timer should be on ammo. I don't think you add a timer to something like that without reason.

[NoctisXV]

I personally don't see any reason why ammunition has a timer penalty. When a fight hasn't even started you have to constantly spam the skill every 15-29 seconds even at 5 stacks if you want to open with it [...]

Hi,

As playing as a MCH as main character I totally agree with this.
SQUARE ENIX can you remove the 30 second ammo time-out please ?
Even Monk class doesn't have any time-out for chakra (V) so I don't see why MCH should have one.
It's really annoying to have to charge it when you are raiding and to lose the effect if you forget to activate it again to reach the 5th level.
MCH is one of the lower class for DPS with BRD so why did you create this 30 second ammo time-out as we already fighting hard for doing our best to have a decent DPS compared to other classes ?

[Jonnycbad]

Aetherflow and Ammo should not be compared. Aetherflow isn't a slight damage augmentation, it allows the limited and restricted use of some very powerful abilities. Ammo just increases your DPS slightly and ensures procs, which are already 50/50. A SCH has to choose between using stacks for instant single target Healing, Shielding the raid, DPS, instant AoE heal. Due to the wide range and potency of Aetherflow abilities, they allow you to stack hold the charges indefinitely. Ammo is less dynamic and has a specific use.

[Greedalox]

Aetherflow and Ammo should not be compared. Aetherflow isn't a slight damage augmentation, it allows the limited and restricted use of some very powerful abilities. Ammo just increases your DPS slightly and ensures procs, which are already 50/50. A SCH has to choose between using stacks for instant single target Healing, Shielding the raid, DPS, instant AoE heal. Due to the wide range and potency of Aetherflow abilities, they allow you to stack hold the charges indefinitely. Ammo is less dynamic and has a specific use.

But none of what you explained still really contradicts the QOL change. Dynamic and specific use still doesn't change that MCH can't go to the washroom between raid pulls.