House sale

[StouterTaru]

This debate will go on forever until we get a solid response from Square. They need to clarify their stance on this.

According to some, they have already made a definitive 100% etched in stone statement. However, the OP's GM conversations show otherwise, with an eventual answer of "No I cannot give a direct answer for you."

In the end it's at the GM's discretion, and harassment requires someone reporting it before a GM even gets involved.

[Alberel]

It 'was' a grey area, it is not anymore. All GM's have been given clear guidelines on it now as to it breaking the ToS. In the past there was conflicting GM statements because they were not all on the same page but now they are.

And yet Yoshi's own statement now conflicts with what you claim the GMs have been told. That is why there is ongoing confusion. He said it was ok to sell as long as you weren't charging an exorbitant amount with the intent to profit off the sale (i.e. it's only not allowed if you're using housing as a money making scheme).

[LaylaTsarra]

Not worth risking ones account. Let it auto demolish. It's a heck of a lot safer.

[Snugglebutt]

According to some, they have already made a definitive 100% etched in stone statement. However, the OP's GM conversations show otherwise, with an eventual answer of "No I cannot give a direct answer for you."

In the end it's at the GM's discretion, and harassment requires someone reporting it before a GM even gets involved.

Advising others it is okay to do it when you lack the conviction to do it yourself or put your own faith to the test is irresponsible. Stop telling others it's okay to do something which could get their accounts banned when your not willing to take such risks yourself. That goes for every other person in here sitting on the sidelines giving the OP false hope that they will not get banned for it despite themselves not willing to put it to the test with their own accounts.

[Dzian]

The lack of proper sale system is the cause of all the housing issues. Lack of plots because people don't have a real system to transfer them to other players.

The reclaim system as a whole needs reworking as well tenants in shared estates should reset the timer for example. If you go overs seas on tour your tenants shouldn't lose there house just because you've been away. Had a couple of military friends suffer this. There wives have found there home gone cos hubby's been on tour overseas

They really need to adjust it so tenants reset the timer or implement a proper transfer system so the owner could transfer primary ownership to a tenant before they went overseas

[StouterTaru]

Advising others it is okay to do it when you lack the conviction to do it yourself or put your own faith to the test is irresponsible. Stop telling others it's okay to do something which could get their accounts banned when your not willing to take such risks yourself. That goes for every other person in here sitting on the sidelines giving the OP false hope that they will not get banned for it despite themselves not willing to put it to the test with their own accounts.

It's not lack of conviction, it's lack of wanting to sell my house(s). So that leaves what, setting up a transaction outside the game and backing out of it, just to prove a point? I would consider selling to a homeless FC, but details would matter.

The lack of proper sale system is the cause of all the housing issues. Lack of plots because people don't have a real system to transfer them to other players.

The lack of plots is due to there not being enough plots, period. The real estate market is a result of it, not the cause.

[LineageRazor]

It's a mistake to think of selling your house as a means to "recoup your losses". This comes dangerously close to the very thing that SE is trying to prevent - folks who buy and sell land for profit, rather than buying for the privilege of owing a house.

You have now owned a home for however long you've owned it for. THAT is your profit, and it's a benefit that many players don't have and would very much like to have. Any profit you make on top of that is gravy.

That said, I don't see any harm in trying to get some of that gravy, if you can find someone with deep enough pockets to afford it. Just remember that on top of your asking price, they'll ALSO need to pay to claim the land themselves once you relinquish. A reasonable price might by what you paid for the plot of land, minus what your customer will have to pay once you give it up (so if you paid 90 million originally, and your customer will have to pay 50 million, charge them 40 million).

It's all a very grey area, though; Yoshi P's proclamation left so much wiggle room that GMs can pretty much interpret things however they want. As others have stated, you might get the best return simply by letting your house expire. Too bad that house reclamation was NOT reinstated with this update:

* In light of the recent earthquake in Kumamoto, Japan, the counter for estate auto-demolition has been suspended until the release of patch 3.4. (Update: 7/19/2016 05:00 a.m. (PST))

[AxelDH]

Don't sell your house, its against the TOS!!

On the other hand, its not against the rules for someone to 'gift' you with, say, 40 million gil.

And then it wouldn't be breaking any rules for you to relinquish ownership of your house for free afterwards. Totally unconnected to said gift! *wink wink*

[Lan_Mantear]

From all the posts, this is a hot topic. It is really very simple.

Regardless of all the arguments for and against. There is a very real risk of being banned for selling your lot. If you are willing to take the risk, go ahead and attempt to sell. If not, then don't.

SE will never give us a straight answer and are purposely being vague because of the liabilities involved in being specific. This also allows their GMs to handle things in a case by case basis.

The smart thing to do? Wait for reclamation and get 80% of your gil risk free. Attempting to sell it any other way is a gamble, and don't be indignant or feign innocence if it doesn't go the way you expected.

Them trying resolve issues is really just a service to you. Beyond that, SE reserves the right to terminate your membership at any time for any reason and without notice.

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[Dustytome]

So no auto-demolition until 3.4 now? Maybe they're trying to have apartments going before they restart it so there's alternative if your house gets reclaimed by the server. I really think they've waited long enough to just turn that back on though.