I guess it's time

[Moomba33]

By all accounts XI and XIV appeal to different audiences.
I personally had no interest in XI since from what I read it sounded tedious and that it took ages to make any progress.

I'd rather that XIV stay the way it is with quick and frequent upgrades. I certainly wouldn't be happy with using the same equipment for years on end or spending months farming for one piece.

[Kallera]

By all accounts XI and XIV appeal to different audiences.
I personally had no interest in XI since from what I read it sounded tedious and that it took ages to make any progress.

I'd rather that XIV stay the way it is with quick and frequent upgrades. I certainly wouldn't be happy with using the same equipment for years on end or spending months farming for one piece.

im sick of doing the same runs over and over with different backdrops, that to me, is tedious.

I'm also not a fan of one hit kos, but I guess repetitive death and judgemental parties is what all the kids are into these days.

But since we are at the blanket generalizations stage of this thread, let me say that these are not recent complaints, they've just been gettting louder and louder as the game boils down into the same thing patch after patch and people in both the hardcore and casual camps have noticed it. They cannot all be FFXI fans.

[Vantol]

Who said I don't like this game? I said I hated XI. You're the one saying we need to change the game now to something else not me.

Because this game is not true FFXIV. Not what we have been promised by Tanaka and then by Yoshida. Not the salvation we were seeking for.

After all this betrayal we just want to get what we deserve, and that's all.

[NaesakiAshwell]

Because this game is not true FFXIV. Not what we have been promised by Tanaka and then by Yoshida. Not the salvation we were seeking for.

After all this betrayal we just want to get what we deserve, and that's all.

This is a rather melodramatic response.

Calling this whole situation a betrayal is seriously over the top / blown out of proportion.

The fact they even remade the game from the ground up in the first place when they could have just closed up shop and left it as a dead project is hardly a betrayal.

As for the current state of the game, there's plenty of work that needs to be done for sure but the way people are asking for it or just the way you're expecting it all to be done right now is just silly.

The only way to really expect any major changes now is to await 4.0, you might say its not a solution but a lot of the game changing solutions people are clamouring for, they can't just squeeze that in during the pre-expansion patch cycle.

Redesigning the entire game again before a major expansion is highly unlikely and downright insane to even remotely ask for.

[Maxipep]

He's online now so it looks as though he has decided to stay.

[KitingGenbu]

Honestly, XI wasn't that great unless you were playing on pc and many people can probably conclude why without me explaining. It does have a degree of depth that this game and many MMORPGs on the market do not have, such as the merit and job point system, persistent rewards (relics/mythics/etc), and flexible classes that weren't neatly packed into a little category. There are several ways to improve the game slowly without altering content much but the excuses given by the 'devs' (I use it that way since everything is translated anyway so no one can really say if they are understanding everything or responding accurately or not) is a bit amateurish. Prime example is set bonuses for gear that they did for a while with free company gear. They could easily make it so that having x number of a set equipped gives a bonus, but their excuses have been "balancing issues" etc.


These threads honestly wont get any changes going, especially if many of the people posting are 'adults' then it should be known that companies dont respond to complaints/threats/suggestions etc but actual money loss. Its already been hypothiesized that the JP population is about twice the size of the NA/EU population. Assuming that is true, unless they complain chances are nothing will happen. Plus its easier for devs to give and get accurate feed back since its their native tongue and not having to wait on translators like they have to do for other regions. People wanting the game to drastically change into something like XI have a better chance or repopulating that game versus trying to change this one.

[Caelum_Dragguell]

So here's my issue with this senseless arguing.

Why not just allow this to be a brainstorming thread, instead of bickering back and forth creating bad analogies and throwing around fancy words while riding a high horse. If you don't think there's anything wrong with the game, then don't be on this thread, simple as that, your arguments will be ignored by most people in here as they feel differently. Agree to disagree.

Suggest your ideas whether logical or illogical. Similar to how IDEAS WORK, If you throw out enough ideas eventually one will catch your eye and you'll think, "yeah, yeah that will work, let's try working with that".

So let's stop white knighting and arguing against ideas being posted and instead focus on actual thought and progress, because to be honest there was a period on this thread where I was happy with what I was seeing. Enough of this "you're wrong" => "No you're wrong " bull.

If you very specifically want to disagree then I would like a few things followed with the disagreement; Source of proof, Date, and the Game.
If you wish to make an alternative point, then do so instead of being condescending of another fellow player.

Now I should state where I lie in this debate. I'm on the side of adding things like set bonuses, tweaking classes to reduce homogenization, revamping diadem to be more alive and fun etc etc... I also believe that the rewards in this game aren't sufficient for many and that if the rewards are going to stay the same then the content should be more varied and appealing to longtime players. It's not healthy for a game to rely solely on newcomers or newer players while alienating its veterans. That's a good way to get little to no recommendations and little to no praise.

P.S. If you couldn't tell by my change of tone I'm annoyed by people acting like they're better than others and that their opinions are more important (applies to all sides of this). Let bygones be bygones.

No one is right, No one is wrong.
OPINION'S ARE OPINION'S.

[TAS]

Personally I'd Love to see content with greater longevity. Honestly you only really need to do each piece of content once. The freshness of each patch (imo) last for about a week (week and a half tops) and then just turns into a grind fest to farm tombs or weekly gear pieces for the next three months. It would be nice if Dungeons had more versatility then just the same basic track, same mobs, same bosses. Same with open world. Dailies aside, I really just find my self just running around mindlessly. I like exploration, I love secret caves, dungeons and buildings, temples ( some of which warrants caution before entering ) Not every thing has to be Instanced!

Also implement more then just mechanic heavy content like savage. Seems to be the only real thing that keeps small groups playing longer. It feels like more of a chore than an actual experience one can enjoy.

[Alaltus]

The fact they even remade the game from the ground up in the first place when they could have just closed up shop and left it as a dead project is hardly a betrayal.

They didn't remake the game for free, they took their fan's money to do it. The fans they then chose to ignore in beta and beyound in favour of chasing Wow's subscriber base. Which even after all this they have failed to do. I think alot of us would be happy with just having an acknowledgement of the issues and a nod that they will work on fixing those issues as they move forward.

[Moomba33]

So here's my issue with this senseless arguing.
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No one is right, No one is wrong.
OPINION'S ARE OPINION'S.

I'm not trying to say that my opinion is better or that yours is wrong.
I'm simply providing my own feedback for the game.
Suggestions are all well and good but the developers need to know both the amount of support and the amount of opposition for new ideas and changes to know if they're worth trying to implement.