I guess it's time

[Caelum_Dragguell]

I have 2 days left on my subscription I believe, though I haven't logged in for a while. That said I do not plan on returning for a long time. I wanted to help this game as I am 99% sure it's on the decline, but if some of you believe that the majority think the game is fine (the declining majority) then so be it.

I'll let the rest here debate interesting mechanics and changes and advocate for a more interesting experience while critiquing the current game (something called feedback folks, condemning it is the same as saying one shouldn't question their government and we don't live in NORTH KOREA) in hopes of helping it make a return to form (although it may be in vain).

And also stop throwing around the word toxic. There's nothing toxic about discussing issues with a game, again it's feedback.

[MagiusNecros]

If Donald Trump actively played XIV he would probably take up the mantle of RMT/Gilseller. Since he's all about money and business. And knows that SE/Yoshida will never be able to eradicate the plague they represent. And would concisely exploit it. All while shouting obscenities about players playing as some such character race.

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I don't know how you expect subscribers of this game to act and think like a game developer when developing a game has different departments, especially those that have little knowledge of how development actually works.

Is it wrong for players to aspire to want their product made better or is it about making the dev's jobs easier at the expense of veteran players moving on after seeing how hollow the MMO turns out to be because of several imposed restrictions?

[RobbieH]

I have read 60% of this thread waiting for constructive posts suggesting improvements with a in-depth analysis how to implement it so far all I found is "We need to make X to make FFXIV great again!".
Before suggesting something put youself in the place of a game director/designer/developer and etc... "How would I implement it?", "How long would it take?", "How hard it is to do it?", "Would it affect previous expansions?"...

If I resume what I saw, is just a bunch of "Hey! You need to remove cap and create more stuff with higher quality every 3 months while totally rewriting your game mechanics!".

This thread needs to be closed due to excessive Trumpness.

I'd pay to see you say that after the game is dead after 4.0 because apparently according to you everything is fine, you must be new to MMOs.

[FallenArisen0990]

I have read 60% of this thread waiting for constructive posts suggesting improvements with a in-depth analysis how to implement it so far all I found is "We need to make X to make FFXIV great again!".
Before suggesting something put youself in the place of a game director/designer/developer and etc... "How would I implement it?", "How long would it take?", "How hard it is to do it?", "Would it affect previous expansions?"...

If I resume what I saw, is just a bunch of "Hey! You need to remove cap and create more stuff with higher quality every 3 months while totally rewriting your game mechanics!".

This thread needs to be closed due to excessive Trumpness.

They can start by not making every new (or even patch if you want to be technical..) patch not make previous patch gear obsolete for starters...

[Velhart]

Yep yep, so true.




Real Mature there sonny.

As always, a well thought out and meaningful response from you giving very detailed arguments to illustrate the point you are trying to convey.

I see more complaining than actual debate. I don't think you have even read all 60+ pages and I honestly don't blame you.

I'm having a right good fun right now in the game and I cannot get my head around people saying :"theres nothing to do I'm bored dead game patch 264829 will save the game etc etc etc" I wonder what they want or what they do in this game? Level 1 class to 60 and wait until next patch?

And example, after work I'm gonna play the MB then do more hunts to get all my main to 240 , after that Ill get my second main to 240. Craft while waiting chat with people do some Nidex while I'm at it. Do some gathering ,help people to clear old stuff . So I'm looking forward going home and play the game

I ask you again, is it really worth paying a month fee for doing....not much? Where THERE IS stuff to do? I think this game is not for everyone but for the dedicated ones and with enough spare time. I'm gonna leave it here cause people are playing the wrong game. If you fed up and bored of it and Yoship and team are not listening , I think is time for some to go and play something else. We don't need toxic attitude we got enough of that in game

The problem I see mostly with people in here is they think some revamp is going to happen within a patch of expansion when they have no idea how development works or what resources they have to pull out to make the entire game's fundamentals change. Nor do they take in the fact despite even if they have a good idea or something that may help, it isn't simply the snap of a finger. Nor do they take into fact that what they do is controversial at best and has a potential to lose a ton a subs because the game changes so drastic. They think what is best for them, not what is good for the overall balance of the game.

Ideas that bring QoL improvements to the current systems or new game concepts that can work in the context of the game's setup. I am 100% for. But things that make absolutely no sense unless you revamp the game again is just unrealistic and asinine unless the developers can think of a way to work it in, even then it gets changed to meet the backbone of FFXIV's structure.

People in here are going to complain till the game becomes FFXI-2. Even then they will still complain going "its not the same!" or "why copying FFXI so much? Be your own thing, 14!", because you can't make people happy no matter what. They are even going to come after me for making this with the usual arguments that make no sense, usually leading to "It will work because I say it will work." without giving any real argument or data showing why it works. When most in here including myself point out the history of said systems not working or balancing properly. They will swear it works because "they say so."

Anyways, here we go:

[Vantol]

The problem I see mostly with people in here is they think some revamp is going to happen within a patch of expansion when they have no idea how development works or what resources they have to pull out to make the entire game's fundamentals change.

That's why when you come to doctor he says: "You have cancer, but it would take too much resources and time to cure you. If at all. So ... welp, next one please". The situation with this game and what you suggest is identical.

People in here are going to complain till the game becomes FFXI-2.

And what is so wrong about wanting this game to become FFXI-2 at least, if it was better in every imaginable way (except graphics obviously)?

Anyway, many good suggestions very made. We must choose with what we should begin, and as FallenArisen before said:

They can start by not making every new (or even patch if you want to be technical..) patch not make previous patch gear obsolete for starters...

The best way to implement this would be raising itemlevel only once in expansion maximum (better even less). Even if it means no patches during whole year, so be it.

[Deathgiver]

That's why when you come to doctor he says: "You have cancer, but it would take too much resources and time to cure you. If at all. So ... welp, next one please". The situation with this game and what you suggest is identical.

And what is so wrong about wanting this game to become FFXI-2 at least, if it was better in every imaginable way (except graphics obviously)?

Anyway, many good suggestions very made. We must choose with what we should begin, and as FallenArisen before said:

The best way to implement this would be raising itemlevel only once in expansion maximum (better even less). Even if it means no patches during whole year, so be it.

Because not everyone actually thought xi was better? I absolutely hated the combat system, the pace and the fact that everything in the game is obfuscated. I'm not alone in that, I even know people that played it for years that feel the same way.

[Vantol]

Because not everyone actually thought xi was better? I absolutely hated the combat system, the pace and the fact that everything in the game is obfuscated. I'm not alone in that, I even know people that played it for years that feel the same way.

So, like everyone here likes to say - maybe this game just isn't for you? And it's time to move on?

[Deathgiver]

So, like everyone here likes to say - maybe this game just isn't for you? And it's time to move on?

Who said I don't like this game? I said I hated XI. You're the one saying we need to change the game now to something else not me.

[Velhart]

That's why when you come to doctor he says: "You have cancer, but it would take too much resources and time to cure you. If at all. So ... welp, next one please". The situation with this game and what you suggest is identical.

And what is so wrong about wanting this game to become FFXI-2 at least, if it was better in every imaginable way (except graphics obviously)?

Anyway, many good suggestions very made. We must choose with what we should begin, and as FallenArisen before said:

The best way to implement this would be raising itemlevel only once in expansion maximum (better even less). Even if it means no patches during whole year, so be it.

And here we have our prime example. Also, really bad analogy.

So, like everyone here likes to say - maybe this game just isn't for you? And it's time to move on?

Uhmm, shouldn't this be the other way around? We are fine with the game(for the most part), you are the one wanting it to be something it isn't. Maybe time for you to move on?