I guess it's time

[FallenArisen0990]

OP doesn't even raid.

This is the type of attitude that needs to go away from this game. - .-;

[Mimilu]

OP doesn't even raid.

Only like 5% of the game's population raid...

[Azrael]

OP doesn't even raid.

Implying that raiding should be enough to keep a player busy in this game.
That's the exact reason why the Draenor expansion in WoW failed so bad.
Also, I think the OP isn't even subscribed anymore by now, since I haven't seen him in this discussion for a long time.

[Chessala]

I haven't read 37 pages of reply but I read the OP and I 100% agree.

I am currently on a "break" but still paying my sub as I am just not ready to leave the game entirely at this point. I classify myself as a mid-hardcore player (simply because work severely limits my playing time). I used to take days off work for patches of the day until recently. I happened to be sick on 3.3 and.....when I logged in I was anything but excited. More of the same...woho? New raid makes the old one useless....so I exchange one content for another. The new roulet dungeons are there, once again confining us to a choice of two (well really one because Hullbreaker Hard is a disappointment at best - epiphany of a copy/paste map) dungeons that we can get for the ex roulette.

I love FFXIV, I severely do. It has been a while since I felt so attached to a game that I pay the sub while not even playing. I find myself wanting to log in but when I do, there is nothing to do that makes me think "I want to be there and do this - NOW!"

The raids are not exciting, they are tedious chores that I have to subscribe my soul to. Challenge is good, feeling forced isn't.And there is not even a reward that is actually worth it for finishing them unless you count getting 10 ilvls a few weeks before everyone else has them...on butt-ugly equipment.

It's been almost 2 years since I joined the game. I am looking forward to Palace of the Dead, hoping it will bring a fresh breeze without the obligation to go to DF. In any ways, I will try playing again and again until 4.0, which will be my final "stay or leave".

[odintius]

OP doesn't even raid.

I would more if I'd thought the reward was worth it, I can get by with normal Alex 220 and lore gear as it currently stands. I'm starting to care less and less about it currently even deep dungeon I get what out of it a glamour piece at best this pure vertical is killing me it felt more rewarding doing 1.23 content then I do know /shrug.

[CheshirePuss]

I would more if I'd thought the reward was worth I can get by with normal Alex 220 and lore gear as it currently stands. I'm starting to care less and less about it currently even deep dungeon I get what out of it a glamour piece at best this pure vertical is killing me it felt more rewarding doing 1.23 content then I do know /shrug.

I don't want to bop the nose of anyone that wants some kind of reward for their hard work. But as a veteran gamer, it's almost irksome to see so many posts in similar regard. I remember completing overly difficult and time consuming tasks in older console games prior to the internet's existence, and enjoying the fact that I had the skill and tolerance to see it through to the end.

I should not feel this old at 24! Give me my youth back by appreciating what hard work gives you damn it! >:C

[odintius]

I don't want to bop the nose of anyone that wants some kind of reward for their hard work. But as a veteran gamer, it's almost irksome to see so many posts in similar regard. I remember completing overly difficult and time consuming tasks in older console games prior to the internet's existence, and enjoying the fact that I had the skill and tolerance to see it through to the end.

I should not feel this old at 24! Give me my youth back by appreciating what hard work gives you damn it! >:C

It isn't just about reward the gear is bland, spirit bonding was way more worth it with the materia they had back in 1.0. Thing is I can do the challenge part one time and say well beat it what make people go back in and repeat it over and over you guess it the reward for doing it. I do work hard it called my job when I get off I play a video game for fun and expect some level of reward in a game not just well I work hard for it but expect only to take half of my pay check home for it.

[CheshirePuss]

It isn't just about reward the gear is bland, spirit bonding was way more worth it with the materia they had back in 1.0. Thing is I can do the challenge part one time and say well beat it what make people go back in and repeat it over and over you guess it the reward for doing it.

This did seem strange to me as well. Even for the first Relic in Realm Reborn, Materia and Spirit Bonding were critical to reaching the quests' end point. It was something they seemed to want to make use of it to its fullest. It may be for the same reason that we're lacking in that regard as well during our time with Heavensward. We may just need something new, something more original to FF14, rather than a unit to the FF franchise that has been abused like a.... well... damn. I can't say anything too dirty on the forums can I? Well, just use your imagination. :|

[odintius]

This did seem strange to me as well. Even for the first Relic in Realm Reborn, Materia and Spirit Bonding were critical to reaching the quests' end point. It was something they seemed to want to make use of it to its fullest. It may be for the same reason that we're lacking in that regard as well during our time with Heavensward. Well, just use your imagination. :|

/imagine oh my naughty

[Caelum_Dragguell]

I am still subbed for about 14 more days, and whether I did or didn't raid shouldn't matter as that has nothing to do with the games overall lack of content (that isn't recycled)

I'd also appreciate that instead of assaulting each other about who is more knowledgeable about 11 or other things that instead ideas are generated about what should go into the game without devolving into bickering over tiny details. Add to each others ideas or agree to disagree. I'm leaving this game either way but I'd like it to become better for those of us that would like to enjoy it more.

I only posted the way I felt in that opening statement to set the tone for my love of the game and how I want it to succeed even more. Honestly this thread is too long for any dev to sift through and most of it is meaningless arguments followed by maybe a few sprinkled ideas here and there. Anyway that's all I had to say.


(P.S. yes I did raid and still am raiding until I'm unsubbed, but only raiding doesn't make someone capable of speaking on the whole of the game, so those who have done the majority of the content in this game would understand that it's not the end all be all especially with the way the rewards become obsolete and useless E.G. boring gear and steep vertical progression, and no I don't want direct horizontal progression, just elements of it that would fit into this game don't feel like incorporating specifics on this as there's someone else I know working on that atm for a different thread).