FFXIV: The State Of Raiding

[KeiranOlive]

I've done some coil after it had echo, but hearing about the brutal difficulty of Alex Savage in which all 8 party members have to perform perfectly or wipe, makes me want to avoid it. So, as someone who has no interest in Savage, I was excited when the developers announced a normal mode. However, I think the biggest mistake with that was releasing both Savage and NM at the same time.

If Alex Savage had been released first, then that would have given hardcore raiders more motivation to do it, since they would have had first access to the story, mechanics, and gear. Then a patch later, Alex normal could have been released, letting everyone else experience a toned down version (still with inferior gear to savage). I believe that the hardest content should give the best rewards, and as many have said in this thread, clearing new, challenging fights and being rewarded with story and exclusive gear are major motivators that make all their hard work worth it.

[IgnisFatuus]

there are many problems with raiding right now. personally, I don't raid anymore, because of time commitment, organisation and fulfilling my share of self-hatred for a lifetime.

I don't really want to get into much of the meta stuff, but since a lot of hardcore peeps stopped raiding, there seems to be a gap and since it's so hard to get into raiding not many people have actually taken to fill those positions.
then there's an obvious lack of reward incentive, variety and such.

ofc, we can't compare to the likes of wow in terms of cash, but we all thought there'd be so much more when the game just got up and running. instead, basically nothing much has changed in terms of sheer gear progression/raiding tiers. even the backwardness of CT/void ark is still there and that was supposed to be a placeholder, because they couldnt finish CT1 in time for release of ARR.

with most stuff I just can't be bothered anymore, because I know itll be useless a few months down the line or get nerfed to hell and back. right now, my condolences go out to anyone who grinded their arse off to get fenrir in the early days. while it's nice to have it finally too, it's always a pain to see so much of your life's hours spent being invalidated in an eye-blink.

[KarstenS]

I've done some coil after it had echo, but hearing about the brutal difficulty of Alex Savage in which all 8 party members have to perform perfectly or wipe, makes me want to avoid it.

Before coil got nerfed and echo, it was not different to what Midas is now. It also had mechanic which all 8 menbers had to perform without mistake.

[KeiranOlive]

Before coil got nerfed and echo, it was not different to what Midas is now. It also had mechanic which all 8 menbers had to perform without mistake.

Nerfed Second Coil was just about right for me, I think. Anything harder or more unforgiving would probably be more stressful than fun. It would have been nice if there was a 3rd difficulty between Midas normal and savage though. I may try savage in the raid finder if I get bored enough. But ultimately, I'm motivated by story and glamour, both of which savage is lacking.