Would you like an in-game parser?

[Reynhart]

Most content only needs 1 healer 90% of the time. If he was DPSing while I was healing, I'd be fine with that. If he was standing around doing nothing, I'd say he wasn't doing his job so I'd start DPSing myself to try and make him do some work.

And the same in fights like A1S, what would you say ?

You just proved my point. You just really did without realizing it.

And you proved mine. You would have parsed on that fight, and called out the DPS for being lazy or slacking, even though they won the fight. You shouldn't, they did enough.

I've seen farm parties messing with their DPS too sometimes, because mistakes happen. I've also seen farm parties screw mechanics they have dealt with dozens of time before, or just making a wrong decision, because mistakes happen.

Besides, a parser does not tell you what you did wrong, it only tells you that you did. If you don't bring a solution, then calling for the problem doesn't help.

If however they used some mitigation skills, DPSed, were removing debuffs and generally contributing to the fight without standing there looking pretty then no, they did not fail.

Does a parser tell you that ? Does a parser tell you how many damage the DPS dodged ? Or how he ran around the arena to help someone on a add or to freeze a tornado because no ranged DPS bothered to do so ? Or how many DPS a SMN lost by raising several people in a row ? Or if the PLD needed some MP back so he kept using Riot Blade for several seconds ?

[Seraphix2407]

Besides, a parser does not tell you what you did wrong, it only tells you that you did. If you don't bring a solution, then calling for the problem doesn't help.

Ofc I would have parsed the fight. I want to see what people put their time into, slacking or trying or doing their very very best. It's fine winning the fight, but there are serval reasons why they win it. They have great dps to make up for the one guys lower dps. Like I said and you ignored; why did I have a farm group with everyone having over 7-8 weapos over 50 kills get enrage? No seriously it happened all the time. That's not about a mistake, that's more about how they play. A mistake wont lower your dps by 600 dude. A mistake will lower slightly. The group I talked about barely had any death and that was 1 death. Then I made my own PF with fc people and the guy with the lowest dps in the other group joined mine, guess what, 6 kills a row, no wipes. Care to explain?

I will say it again, just because a healer kept you alive doesn't mean he did great or good. Sitting there doing nothing but cure 1-2 spam isn't a good healer, far from it. I can keep tanks alive without them using tank cds, does that make them a good good tank? Not really.

You are right, a parser doesn't tell you what you did wrong, it tells you that you need to improve however which MANY are in denial for, so a tool that are on their screen will tell them to get gud and they will soon or later realize how bad or dead weight they was for a group. I can tell people they need to improve their rotation, I can do only as much to link them one and help them out if needed.

There's a difference between knowing the path and walking the path.

[Reynhart]

Care to explain?

No, I don't, and that's exactly that, I don't care. Did we win ? Yes ? It's fine. No ? Bad luck. Did I see why, can I explain it too the team ? Yes ? I'll do it. No ? Never mind, I'll try another time.
In fact, that's what happened yesterday. For once, the bonus was for DPS in the trial roulette, so I took my BLM, by I ended up in Sephirot, which I've never done as a BLM...since I basically stopped playing BLM as soon as it reached 60.
Was I bad ? Of yes, I was...I could tell I was. Were others bad ? Yes, some of them made mistakes, yes. We wiped twice, we talked about strat, priorities, etc...and then we won. Yes, my roulette took more time that it should have, so what ?

You are right, a parser doesn't tell you what you did wrong, it tells you that you need to improve however which MANY are in denial for, so a tool that are on their screen will tell them to get gud and they will soon or later realize how bad or dead weight they was for a group.

Actually, if the tool is on their screen, they're not that much in denial. But here the tool is on your screen, not theirs.

There's a difference between knowing the path and walking the path.

A guide gives you knowledge of the path, practice is walking the path. A parser only tells you that the path you're on is wrong.

[Reisui]

Actually, if the tool is on their screen, they're not that much in denial. But here the tool is on your screen, not theirs.

With a Group parser it's on everyone's screen, it's up to the people to use it correctly

A guide gives you knowledge of the path, practice is walking the path. A parser only tells you that the path you're on is wrong.

The parser actually will be used in the practice too. With the parser you could fine-tune your rotations, and try out different strategies that might work better for certain encounters.

[Seraphix2407]

A guide gives you knowledge of the path, practice is walking the path. A parser only tells you that the path you're on is wrong.

It's fine to clear it with 1 guy being lower dps, but if he atleast tried his very best, maybe those wipes in his other groups wouldn't happen as much as I tell you they are. You see eventually farm groups will get enrage because they happens to be in a group with same type of players, if those guys weren't doing as low as they are doing, it would mostlikely happen they won't get enrage, hell even be a smaller chance of wipes in groups in general. Everything would flow smoother.

You talk about roulette, first of all since you mention that, ravana is one of the fights I still wipe to endlessly. Keep in mind I'm quing up things to beat the content not to wipe in them. Or you gonna change the words you said earlier, about adressing me talking about the 66 enrage wipe in midas 4 normal? Last time I checked you said you don't talk about people who has sooo low dps but about those who barely has any dps loss, talk about 50-100 less they could done for example. I have news for ya, many people in trial do 60-70% less than they could do which leads to wipe. Why do people do things and wipe 7 other people on purpose? That's like trolling and you and I both know it is.

No matter how much you want to pretend a parser is a magical cure all, it's at best a distraction, and at worst, downright useless because the person with it either doesn't know how to get better or doesn't want to get better.

You are the last person I'm willing to take 100% serious. I never said its magical or make people better by just clicking it. It's a tool to help you get better.
You are the one pretending here, talking about 1250 people getting kicked, so no I will say it again, hard to take you serious.

[Reiryuu]

You are the last person I'm willing to take 100% serious. I never said its magical or make people better by just clicking it. It's a tool to help you get better.
You are the one pretending here, talking about 1450 people getting kicked, so no I will say it again, hard to take you serious.

I think you add 100 to that every time you mention it. The original number was 1250. But, for all we know, you could be making up numbers for your 66 Midas 4 Normal wipes for example. Did you count and keep record of all 66? Maybe you did. But if you didn't your examples aren't any more trustworthy. Just something to think about.

[Seraphix2407]

Just something to think about.

Ops 1250, you are right. Thanks for correcting me. I didn't make up the 66% enrage, that's the difference here . Ive had many enrage wipes in m4 but all of them at 66%? Nope, sometimes around in the 30's 10's 20's etc. You know, I will actually start screenshotting them all and each time they happen I will post them in here. So you know I don't BS around it. Thanks for the reminder. I'm not even sarcastic at all, people just seem to ignore the problem. Then making up things to just try make it worse, when it's far from the truth. Do you want to take a bet I can run 10 dungeons and do slightly lower than I can do and not get called out vs the people who do less than 50% they want to do? I'm more than happy to provide you with that. I know I'm posting aggresive now, but then again, people just make up things and then say things we never said it's fully retarded.

That's precisely pretending it's a magical cure all, by implying it's impossible to get better without usage of a parser. It's perfectly and totally possible to get better and maximize your deeps without a parser, a parser just simplifies the process while providing another distraction to watch during content.

You can but a parser is a tool that overwrite the current method to get better in game. Like some in this thread said, look through battle log etc. If there are 2 ways to get better, why would you choose the way that would help you less than the other? How excactly do you know if you do better in battle content? I'm saying battle content not SSS.

[Reiryuu]

So you know I don't BS around it.

Actually now that you put the % in there I realize that I misread your post. I thought you were saying 66 times in Midas 4 where you enrage wiped rather than that one you already posted a screenshot of. I apologize for that, but I wasn't necessarily saying that you were lying in your example. Many people exaggerate, it's pretty hard not to do unless you have actual numbers in front of you. All I was trying to say was that if you're exaggerating even only slightly you shouldn't write someone off if they're exaggerating because you're both essentially making up numbers.

[Reynhart]

With a Group parser it's on everyone's screen, it's up to the people to use it correctly

Yes, you're on everyone else's screen even if you don't want to.

Last time I checked you said you don't talk about people who has sooo low dps but about those who barely has any dps loss, talk about 50-100 less they could done for example.

Yes, because, every time I faced someone whose DPS was so low it could end with a wipe in Midas 4 at 66%, a parser wasn't needed to point where the flaws where. And, most of the time I was in that situation, the flaws came from the mechanics, not the DPS. For example, people not focusing on add in 1st phase, healers used to tank swap after perpetual vs a tank that is confident about keeping the boss on him, or screwing discoids, people not dodging diffusion ray, etc... Apart from those obvious situation, I can assure you that any DPS who could beat the M4 SSS would not get caught by this kind of enrage.

I have news for ya, many people in trial do 60-70% less than they could do which leads to wipe. Why do people do things and wipe 7 other people on purpose? That's like trolling and you and I both know it is.

Of course it's trolling, since you stated that it was "on purpose"
I doubt it's always that and I still think that a parser is not the best solution for that.

[Seraphix2407]

Yes, you're on everyone else's screen even if you don't want to.

As you said bro, the 66% was a insane enrage wipe, it's easy to see the wipe. However, there are still flaws. The flaw is if there was 3 top dps, 1 guy could still be doing 500-600 dps like one of them did in that fight. Just because I was mad unlucky getting a group, doesn't mean next one having a dps doing 600 is just fine, when it's not. Because I killed it, doesn't avoid the issue where a guy is doing way lower than he should do. Because eventually that guy will end up in a group like the one I had for enrage and it have happened before. I'm being honest if someone wanna dump 30-50% less dps they can do even if we wipe, they are simply leeching more than anything and I simply dislike that attitude. Nothing comes for free, so better work for it.