Would you like an in-game parser?

[Dement]

That's too bad. Those tend to be the best healers. Considering that those types tend to be trying to push their jobs to the upper limits, they very rarely let the tank die in favor of DPS since A.) it's usually pretty noticeable that they are failing their primary job and B.) once the tank is dead, their own numbers will plummet due to their own rapidly coming demise. Thus, the vast majority of the DPS pushing healers that I've encountered very rarely let me die as a tank. Also if they've hit the accuracy cap, that tends to correlate with Alexander Savage experience and if you can heal Savage, you can sure as hell heal the Lawltower or the rare occurrence of Lol City of Amdapor without much issue.

[Rawrz]

I'm not Selene's pet... she's my pet... I'm the Main Healers pet, who uses his own pet. >:[ I'm a sentient intelligence that will heal without their command, just as selene it's a sentient VI, that can embrace. xF

[Seraphix2407]

Wow. And you got upset with me because you thought I was exaggerating. Speechless~

I'm not upset because I thought you exaggerating, I'm more upset that you think great healers do medica 2 when there is no raid aoe or when tank loses a bit HP. That makes me more upset than anything.

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

Now, where did I say that? I've never once actually given my criteria upon which a healer can be considered 'great'.

[Seraphix2407]

Now, where did I say that? I've never once actually given my criteria upon which a healer can be considered 'great'.

Because you simply agree with people who talks down on people who are healers, who happens to dps. My bad, I shouldn't said that, because you haven't really given a criteria or opinion even on what a good healer is or not, but the way you agree with others.

Also you have mentioned people get kicked for not dpsing, it might have happened, but it doesn't happen often. If anything many people find healers dpsing in roulettes more welcome than those who sit there and do nothing.

I've seen more healers let tanks die when they never dps than tanks die to healers dpsing. If the healer dps the adds mostlikely die faster which leads to mitigation and the mitigation are dead adds, so the tank takes no dmg. Holy is OP too, stun is amazing and works like a mini HG for a few seconds, love it. Take my apology for putting words in your mouth, that doesn't make me any better from what I've told people in this thread earlier. I admit it, but then again, don't agree with people and make me or anyone else think you mean dps healers are bad, if anything they are better than those who sit there do nothing. Or the healers who heals in seph extreme and both have 3k mp before adds, while other people have healers who have one dpsing till adds pop and do some minimal for aoe before adds pop or simply the amazing healers solo healing the fight without any mch or brds.

Many healers overheal like crazy and that doesn't mean they do a good job or even doing the job correct. Vault is an amazing example where healers overheal and let people die if people even do the mechanics correct. Why do people die? No MP.

Gotta admit tho, everytime I join a expert roulette alone I do have a laugh because I see mechanics I've never seen before and panic and don't know how to do them hahaha.

[Lambdafish]

I've seen more healers let tanks die when they never dps than tanks die to healers dpsing. If the healer dps the adds mostlikely die faster which leads to mitigation and the mitigation are dead adds, so the tank takes no dmg.

In my experience, the reason that this happens is because the non-dpsing healer is not paying attention to anything at all and is watching netflix etc. If a healer is DPSing, they tend to do that in the downtime when they don't need to heal, never letting a GCD go to waste, those are GOOD healers, and the ignorance shown by the previous posters is unbelievable.

[Seraphix2407]

In my experience, the reason that this happens is because the non-dpsing healer is not paying attention to anything at all and is watching netflix etc. If a healer is DPSing, they tend to do that in the downtime when they don't need to heal, never letting a GCD go to waste, those are GOOD healers, and the ignorance shown by the previous posters is unbelievable.

Overheal is also part of the problem too. I just dont get some peoples logic, using medica 2 and there was never anything that even hit the party or the worse one spamming cure 2 when tank even pops cd.
The worse one is they overheal so bad they don't even have any MP for the boss or next set of adds. I don't really care what people say in here, because everyone has their opinion, but it does get out of hand when people act like it happens in every dungeon a non dps healer gets kicked from 1 out of 3 dungeons, it really is silly. The worse part is when people looks down on people who try or actually want to push their limits and do even a better job, while the lazy side, well.... ''it's just a roulette, so I don't need to use any skill I've obtained through the leveling'' ''I can do this on my own phase, theres no need to try''. People with this sort of attitude, doesn't belong in groups at all. Does it sound mean? Sure, but is it the truth? Absolutely.

[Reiryuu]

In my experience, the reason that this happens is because the non-dpsing healer is not paying attention to anything at all and is watching netflix etc. If a healer is DPSing, they tend to do that in the downtime when they don't need to heal, never letting a GCD go to waste, those are GOOD healers, and the ignorance shown by the previous posters is unbelievable.

Is it the ignorance of people that you're complaining about or their tolerance?

The worse part is when people looks down on people who try or actually want to push their limits and do even a better job, while the lazy side, well.... ''it's just a roulette, so I don't need to use any skill I've obtained through the leveling'' ''I can do this on my own phase, theres no need to try''. People with this sort of attitude, doesn't belong in groups at all.

I just have one question for you. By "any skill" do you actually mean "every skill"? I ask because it makes a difference: not using any skill can mean using no skills at all or not using one skill in particular. Every skill means, well they should be using every skill they get.

[Lambdafish]

Is it the ignorance of people that you're complaining about or their tolerance?

I was referring to those who think that healer DPS (in the case of the post, specifically SCH) is bad. In current dungeons, tanks do not take much damage, and healing 90% of the time can be handled with selene, lustrate, and a few adlos every now and then, which gives healers a lot of breathing room to DPS, and if they aren't then they are either being lazy, or severely overhealing (or both), and the posts seem to suggest that doing so is how it should be, hence the ignorance comment.

[Reiryuu]

I was referring to those who think that healer DPS (in the case of the post, specifically SCH) is bad. In current dungeons, tanks do not take much damage, and healing 90% of the time can be handled with selene, lustrate, and a few adlos every now and then, which gives healers a lot of breathing room to DPS, and if they aren't then they are either being lazy, or severely overhealing (or both), and the posts seem to suggest that doing so is how it should be, hence the ignorance comment.

First, thanks for the clarification. I didn't really see any of their comments saying healers DPSing being bad. I saw it as them arguing that Healer DPS shouldn't be their first priority; that a healer in dungeons shouldn't have to have accuracy gear and materia. Personally, I would like to even argue with you slightly in that: A healer that makes sure no one dies is an "OK" healer- they're doing the bare minimum their job requires. A healer that makes sure no one dies and contributes with DPS when available or comfortable is a "good" healer- they're doing what their role requires and then some. Your "good" healer scenario with a healer that plays at 100% all the time would then be an "excellent" healer- they're playing their class to the fullest.

Now, disclaimer incoming, I am certainly not going to claim that I am an excellent healer by your standards. But for the sake of argument, let's pretend that in raiding situations, I am and that I find that stressful. Is it going to harm anyone if I relax a bit and go down to "good" status for content that doesn't require me to play at peak performance? Am I a bad healer for not using Presence of Mind to spam holy, for example? Or for not using Fluid Aura because I know it's going to kick the mob not only out of range of holy, but my black mage's flares/fire2 and my summoner's Shadow Flare?