Would you like an in-game parser?

[Seraphix2407]

No worries.

Yeah that's pretty silly. But we all know seph isn't excactly healer tight, there is many times you can sit in cleric for a while and do it, not that I will expect it, dont even need the extra dps unless its super tight somehow. Well, for me, it's NOT acceptable to kick someone whos doing 100 ish less than they should that means they are pretty good more than an average player. If they are doing 500-600 less, then I would ask them to leave, because you can't leech around me and get free pass by kills. The fact what you mention is just pure stupid, doing 350 ish as a whm is even good, but you know whats even worse?Those who think they are godsent but are even worse than an average players, those players usually ruins it for many as well. I'm pretty sure you know what I talk about. I talk for my own personal experience, many times I've farmed and we just go on with a guy being 50-100 behind, but if someone is way behind then that person has to leave, simple. I know there will be people kicking out those who are doing great and isn't the top but how many? I rarely see it happens, atleast around on my server. Keep in mind I've also been on Ragnarok and Odin server and you know those servers has one of the top players on Eu servers. But yes, I'm sorry if I ask again sir, but could you kindly explain to me how people could know how they improve in the actual fight/content? I talk about using SSS method, because you and I we both know and I sure hope so :P haha. That SSS doesn't give you any spesific data you actually do in battle content.
Many will be left out even without official parsers, because it already happens. Many are left out for reason and you and I both know very well why.

Literally just read all the quotes. But if you want spoilers - yes, multiple times.

My main point being the toxicity is here. It's here on the forums, it's in the game. And there aren't many people using parsers. So all these doomsday scenarios and fearmongering about "teh jerks" is pointless. The apocalypse arrived a long time ago. But the game is still growing. So just let people parse. It doesn't matter. It won't change anything.

I'm not gonna defend some peoples shitty attitude on these forums, so I will only speak for myself. I'm one of the healers who dps alot in expert dungeons, my tank pulls till the wall is stopping us and that's it. I'm not gonna expect people to do the same when some one else is healing, after all my motto is; best tank mitigatation is a dead mob/boss. You want to talk about toxic people? I have a bunch of many different scenarios like the BLM that refuses to use fire 4 in dungeons and go with bliz 3>fire 3 and it's funny to waste peoples time. Or the Tank who doesn't even overpower adds and let me die as a healer because regen is on, because they say that's how they play. Or that one healer who overheals and has no mp for next pull and blame it on the tank. The list is long. I could go on all day about this matter, but I rather not.

Edit: I wanted to add, why look at the negative sides of a parser when it's the last thing that puts a negative thing into the community? If you want to look at the negative side of everything, dont do trials, roulettes, talk in chat, or do content or even interact with people, let me tell you a secret... they might be bad people?! Shocking right? :P

[Cnidarian]

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Call me old school, but you can always manually parse the data yourself using the combat log. That actually use to be my favorite thing to do in older MMO's. Sit down with the other guild/raid leaders and manually pore over the combat logs to figure out new strategies and ways to deal with difference mechanics. Current technology and how fast information is shared now, this method isn't really viable anymore.


One thing I would like to point out in general, a lot of people are assuming that if they add in a parser, that it will be something like ACT or one of the many addons for WoW and other games. I highly doubt this is the case and at best all you can hope for is something that shows your dps or total damage during the fight.

One compromise I can see for those against a parser and those for it, is to have a screen pop up after you leave the duty displaying all the information. This will prevent toxicity during the run for your DF runs, and will still provide the information you would need to see how you compare. The only downside to this that I can think of is that you will get players who choose to ignore mechanics to push out more damage causing others to pick up the slack. (Example, M2/4 normal where someone willingly takes a height error because they don't want to move, or ignores Enumeration causing unneeded damage).

[KarstenS]

Call me old school, but you can always manually parse the data yourself using the combat log.

1.) The combat log is incomplete.

2.) It would take ages to manually get out all informations out of it and "emulate" the missing data.

[Krissey]

You want to talk about toxic people? I have a bunch of many different scenarios like the BLM that refuses to use fire 4 in dungeons and go with bliz 3>fire 3 and it's funny to waste peoples time. Or the Tank who doesn't even overpower adds and let me die as a healer because regen is on, because they say that's how they play. Or that one healer who overheals and has no mp for next pull and blame it on the tank.

You just made my point for me. Look at all these examples of awful toxic players and it has nothing to do with parsers. So...how is parsing going to do anything worse? BLM will still only cast Blizzard, people still won't heal right, etc..etc... Like I said. The Apocalypse happened a long time ago.

So parsing shouldn't make anything worse.

[Reynhart]

So parsing shouldn't make anything worse.

Basic maths, maybe ? Toxic player < Toxic player+Toxic parser.

[Seraphix2407]

You just made my point for me. Look at all these examples of awful toxic players and it has nothing to do with parsers. So...how is parsing going to do anything worse? BLM will still only cast Blizzard, people still won't heal right, etc..etc... Like I said. The Apocalypse happened a long time ago.

So parsing shouldn't make anything worse.

No you talk about dungeons. I talk about primals and raids, thats a big difference. First of all if you can't do your job like you should, stay away from primals or raids, or simply get better. If you do cast blizzard only in dungeons, that's not something to blame on their dps numbers, that's their attitude, there is a difference. If I see a guy doing blizard>fire>bliz>fire 24-7 I won't call out their dps but rather their rotation or attitude. You on otherhand, don't see my point. I didn't make a point for you at all. So don't really see what you talk about. You prove my point that people do whatever they wanna do then they go inside primals or raids and it sounds like we all just have to accept that bad attitude. Thing is, they need to see it themselves, a lot of people are offended until they know what they do wrong or not.