New Frontlines

[Februs]

best way to keep frontlines active = make a super rare mount drop randomly after each 1 lol make it tradable even better XD

This is a joke, right? Because I'm pretty sure that this would just kill queue times faster lol.

I mean, if a mount dropped after every single match, then you'd always have a 1 in 8 chance to get it. Those are some damn good odds (far better even then the extreme primal mount drops). You'd probably have your mount within a week and would have no reason to queue anymore. If they made it trade-able you'd never need to queue, because the regular PvP community who queue for fun would be selling their extra's on the MB.

I'm all for adding extra rewards to the PvP game modes, but if we're talking about sustainability then the best option is a vastly expanded and overhauled PvP vendor system, not a freebie mount handed out like candy at the end of every round ... Though I'm definitely not going to turn that candy down if they decide to hand it out. Just saying. Everyone has a sweet tooth, right?

[Spawnie]

This is a joke, right? Because I'm pretty sure that this would just kill queue times faster lol.

naturally it was lol i think they gotta add incentive to do frontlines tho to atleast keep it active personally imo... they should have mixed rankings for pvp seasons.. top players in feast get rewards, top players in frontlines get rewards and top players in both combined get the best rewards

and stop making new modes until they fix the broken 1s 1st..

[EvinnaReed]

I wish they made a new version of Seal Rock instead. I still don't have the coat. I need about 40 wins or so to finish getting it. I made a thread supporting changing the Seal Rock gear achievements to Seal Rock and new Frontlines, but I don't know if they will do it.

[Spawnie]

i dont even have any mounts from frontlines lol

[Februs]

naturally it was lol

Just checking lol. On the forums you never know...

I agree that more incentive is needed. Adding extra rewards would definitely be a good start, but I think they should take a long hard look at the Vendor system as well. If the PvP vendors offered items for crafting, upgrade items, relic items, and tomestone items there would be far more reason to queue up. We don't really use our Wolf Marks as it is, so giving us useful things to spend them on would be a pretty good incentive to get more of them.

[P4X0R10N]

Meh... Feast failed cuz it wasn't fun... For arena type pvp you need a more engaging, active combat system with a high skill cap where well timed, well thought out executions have a nearly game-finishing outcome. That way you get momentum and excitement. I think that's why MOBAs are somewhat fun to play (and watch)--the right move (or the wrong move by your opponent) will lead to big can of whoop-ass.

But I guess such a game wouldn't appeal to "casuals" (whatever that means...) cuz it would require such a huge upfront time cost to get decent at...

So we're left with this button-mashing, facerolling, snooze fest that is the feast...

No amount of rewards can make up for unfun gameplay.

[Nalien]

I agree that more incentive is needed. Adding extra rewards would definitely be a good start, but I think they should take a long hard look at the Vendor system as well. If the PvP vendors offered items for crafting, upgrade items, relic items, and tomestone items there would be far more reason to queue up. We don't really use our Wolf Marks as it is, so giving us useful things to spend them on would be a pretty good incentive to get more of them.

I'm incline to think they should cut tomestones/Wolf Marks out of (ranked) Feast and have them solely for Frontlines. Anyone queuing for Feast is queuing for rating, the other rewards are nice, but they mean Frontlines is essentially worthless... I suppose you could just add some new currency style reward to Frontlines to draw interest to it, but that seems like too much effort. All we need then is a solid purpose for Wolf Marks... Then you have a situation where Frontlines is constantly active as people need Wolf Marks, while Feast loses some activity for a time, but hopefully a stronger and consistent casual scene allows the competitive scene to grow in the long run.

I'm not sure what to do with Wolf Marks though... Materia would be very nice, but completely irrelevant to PvP... With Frontlines being the casual scene though, a PvE reward like that would definitely help... What we need is a reason for people in the competitive scene to need Wolf Marks and thus ensure Frontlines is fairly stable... I've seen a few people suggest cutting out Limit Breaks in favor of a more specific "Job ultimate" skills, and I think something like that could work really well if we making it similar to the Heart of the Specialist skill... So you'd have an ultimate PvP ability, but it uses up a consumable that you obtain through Wolf Marks... Could have alterations on that concept, you could perhaps use the skill no matter what, but the consumable effectively gives it full potency, something like that... Unlike PvE rewards, that would be something PvPers would definitely go out of their way to obtain, and as a consumable it'll provide a constant purpose for Wolf Marks.

Can also work it with Frontlines just being far better than Wolves' Den for farming Wolf Marks, perhaps having that 600 Wolf Mark bonus from the Roulette be a "In need" bonus, rather than daily one... That would also (hopefully) provide variation in Frontlines, as Seize would be just as viable as Shatter, and if they ever decide to give us Lv60 Secure/Slaughter, even better...

[Cleanse]

Meh... Feast failed cuz it wasn't fun... For arena type pvp you need a more engaging, active combat system with a high skill cap where well timed, well thought out executions have a nearly game-finishing outcome. That way you get momentum and excitement. I think that's why MOBAs are somewhat fun to play (and watch)--the right move (or the wrong move by your opponent) will lead to big can of whoop-ass.

But I guess such a game wouldn't appeal to "casuals" (whatever that means...) cuz it would require such a huge upfront time cost to get decent at...

So we're left with this button-mashing, facerolling, snooze fest that is the feast...

No amount of rewards can make up for unfun gameplay.

The Feast definitely has a lot higher skillcap than you're giving it credit for. There are _maybe_ a handful of people even close to that level and can write things off as a snoozefest.

[Beckett]

I'm incline to think they should cut tomestones/Wolf Marks out of (ranked) Feast and have them solely for Frontlines.

As someone who is not doing Feast, I have to disagree. I'm not a fan of deathmatch PVP, which is why I typically only do Frontlines. The only thing that's tempting me to try out Feast is the fact that I could cap out my Lore a lot more reliably than waiting for 2 hour long Frontline Roulette queues every day. If they removed tomestones from Feast, I would no longer feel an even remote inclination to do that mode.

It's the same issue PVP has had since the beginning. Ideally, only people who really want to PVP would be participating in PVP, but in reality there are not nearly enough people interested in PVP to fill up queues, so SE has to offer tomestones as an incentive to get non-PVPers to fill up those parties.

[Nalien]

It's the same issue PVP has had since the beginning. Ideally, only people who really want to PVP would be participating in PVP, but in reality there are not nearly enough people interested in PVP to fill up queues, so SE has to offer tomestones as an incentive to get non-PVPers to fill up those parties.

That's the point, I don't want non-PvPers queuing for a competitive game mode... I'm not saying I don't want new people getting into PvP or anything like that, but the competitive scene is not the place to draw those people in... Frontlines is... There is no sense getting completely inexperienced people into Feast, get them into Frontlines and if they feel like checking out the competitive scene for those seasonal rewards, after they've got a feel for PvP in this game? I'd gladly welcome them into Feast... Diving into the competitive scene first is just going to result in a bad time, for beginners and their team, and that's just going to turn people away...

Looking at the leaderboards and the number of games played, I'd say there are plenty of people interested enough in the season for rating alone to carry Feast, though honestly they can probably leave tomestones in, or even Wolf Marks, my main point was that Frontlines should be the main mode, and vastly better rewards should provide incentive for that. Frontlines, given it's the casual game mode, should be this games main PvP. That's the place we want to grow the PvP community, not the competitive scene...